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I'd kind of reject that creating meat hurts animals. Kill, sure - but hurting them is counterproductive. There's a large amount of work done to lower the stress

I'd kind of reject that creating meat hurts animals. Kill, sure - but hurting them is counterproductive. There's a large amount of work done to lower the stress of the animal, both because it's the moral thing to do and because it makes the meat taste better. The ideal killing involves rendering the animal senseless instantaneously. Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqYYXswono https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqYYXswono for a demonstration of a well-run plant.

Vinnl 8y ago
> hurting them is counterproductive. That's certainly not necessarily the case. For example, the veal industry used to (perhaps still does - not sure) keep calves in tight cages in which they could not turn or lie down, because the "exercise" would turn their meat an undesirable pink. Likewise, laying eggs is a natural function for hens (like ovulation), so they will do so even when stressed out. The only reason there's some restraint on how many are kept in small areas, on uneven slatted floors, is regulation, not cost savings.
bootlooped 8y ago
The counterpoint to that video would be the following: https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch Watch any consecutive 10 minutes of that, and let me know if that seems like it doesn't hurt animals. The evidence that industrial scale animal farming is harmful to animals is overwhelming. There should really be no debate about that fact at this point. There is an incentive to raise them quick, raise them huge, and move them along the whole process as quickly as possible. Those things are generally not conducive with providing a humane life for them. I agree the ideal killing is instantaneous, but the killing moment is not the only source of pain, and the ideal killing may not be very common. Sometimes we can't even kill humans quickly and painlessly, for example with the several botched lethal injections that took place a few years ago.
- noarchy 8y ago
  "Video unavailable" when I try to view it.
  - bootlooped 8y ago
    Works for me in the US, could it be a region thing?
    - noarchy 8y ago
      Possibly, I'm trying to access it from Canada.

Vinnl 8y ago

> hurting them is counterproductive. That's certainly not necessarily the case. For example, the veal industry used to (perhaps still does - not sure) keep calves in tight cages in which they could not turn or lie down, because the "exercise" would turn their meat an undesirable pink. Likewise, laying eggs is a natural function for hens (like ovulation), so they will do so even when stressed out. The only reason there's some restraint on how many are kept in small areas, on uneven slatted floors, is regulation, not cost savings.

bootlooped 8y ago

The counterpoint to that video would be the following: https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch Watch any consecutive 10 minutes of that, and let me know if that seems like it doesn't hurt animals. The evidence that industrial scale animal farming is harmful to animals is overwhelming. There should really be no debate about that fact at this point. There is an incentive to raise them quick, raise them huge, and move them along the whole process as quickly as possible. Those things are generally not conducive with providing a humane life for them. I agree the ideal killing is instantaneous, but the killing moment is not the only source of pain, and the ideal killing may not be very common. Sometimes we can't even kill humans quickly and painlessly, for example with the several botched lethal injections that took place a few years ago.

noarchy 8y ago
"Video unavailable" when I try to view it.
- bootlooped 8y ago
  Works for me in the US, could it be a region thing?
  - noarchy 8y ago
    Possibly, I'm trying to access it from Canada.