i’m more interested in steelmanning the argument than adopting a dismissive stance, which still would be absolutely warranted as you have rightly pointed out.

i’m more interested in steelmanning the argument than adopting a dismissive stance, which still would be absolutely warranted as you have rightly pointed out. also, just because liberty itself must be defined, doesn’t mean that we cannot identify common interpretations and analyze the possibilities. i’d be careful not to view relativism as a dealbreaker to fruitful discussion.