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And all that for a youtube to mp3 converter. Didn't even realize those sites got prosecuted nowadays.

by kaffeemitsahne 8y ago

walrus01 8y ago
A corporation filing a statement of claim in a civil lawsuit is not a criminal prosecution.
- perpetualpatzer 8y ago
  In defense of parent comment, I think this is actually a correct usage. As a verb, 'prosecute', doesn't necessarily imply criminal action, just pressing a claim. The first definition per Google is "institute legal proceedings against."
  - pc86 8y ago
    All of the specific legal definitions indicate alleged violation of criminal law, and the example text for that Google search (obstruction of a highway) is also criminal, not civil. I'm not aware of any common usage of "prosecute" that refers to civil complaints.
    - perpetualpatzer 8y ago
      To name a couple in the legal context specifically: * under the US Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a civil plaintiff who doesn't show up to trial has their case dismissed for failure to prosecute [0][1] * a claim of malicious prosecution can be brought based on an unjustified criminal or civil claim (though some jurisdictions do call the tort "abuse of process" if it's based on a civil claim)[2] [0] https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/failure-to-prosecute/ https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/failure-to-prosecute/ [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_41 https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_41 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_prosecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_prosecution
reacweb 8y ago
If I write in a comment the command "youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 <video URL>", does Hacker News risk to be prosecuted ?
- deepnet 8y ago
  Thanks I was using ffmpeg for the conversion up til now = TIL
  - yalue 8y ago
    I'm pretty sure youtube-dl just invokes ffmpeg in the background to extract the audio for you; all it means is that you don't need to remember the exact ffmpeg commands.
- Crontab 8y ago
  Wouldn’t that result in transcoding from one lossy audio format to another? I’ve always been advised against that.
  - aepiepaey 8y ago
    Generally, that would result in a lossy-to-lossy conversion (at least on youtube, which primarily serves aac and opus audio). But even ignoring that, most youtube videos go through a lossy-to-lossy conversion/re-encode when it's uploaded in the first place. Authors typically encode their videos into a lossy format before uploading them, and at least the video stream is always re-encoded by youtube itself once the video has been uploaded. In addition, the source material (like screen captures etc.) is often encoded in a lossy format as well, which would result in the following chain: lossless video capture -> saved to disk (lossy encoding) -> video editor, then save result (lossy encoding) -> upload to youtube -> youtube encodes to formats to be delivered to viewers (lossy encoding) If you specify a non-lossless format to youtube-dl, then append -> youtube-dl re-encode to chosen format (lossy encoding).

And all that for a youtube to mp3 converter. Didn't even realize those sites got prosecuted nowadays.

walrus01 8y ago

A corporation filing a statement of claim in a civil lawsuit is not a criminal prosecution.

perpetualpatzer 8y ago
In defense of parent comment, I think this is actually a correct usage. As a verb, 'prosecute', doesn't necessarily imply criminal action, just pressing a claim. The first definition per Google is "institute legal proceedings against."
- pc86 8y ago
  All of the specific legal definitions indicate alleged violation of criminal law, and the example text for that Google search (obstruction of a highway) is also criminal, not civil. I'm not aware of any common usage of "prosecute" that refers to civil complaints.
  - perpetualpatzer 8y ago
    To name a couple in the legal context specifically: * under the US Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a civil plaintiff who doesn't show up to trial has their case dismissed for failure to prosecute [0][1] * a claim of malicious prosecution can be brought based on an unjustified criminal or civil claim (though some jurisdictions do call the tort "abuse of process" if it's based on a civil claim)[2] [0] https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/failure-to-prosecute/ https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/failure-to-prosecute/ [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_41 https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_41 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_prosecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_prosecution

reacweb 8y ago

If I write in a comment the command "youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 <video URL>", does Hacker News risk to be prosecuted ?

deepnet 8y ago
Thanks I was using ffmpeg for the conversion up til now = TIL
- yalue 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure youtube-dl just invokes ffmpeg in the background to extract the audio for you; all it means is that you don't need to remember the exact ffmpeg commands.
Crontab 8y ago
Wouldn’t that result in transcoding from one lossy audio format to another? I’ve always been advised against that.
- aepiepaey 8y ago
  Generally, that would result in a lossy-to-lossy conversion (at least on youtube, which primarily serves aac and opus audio). But even ignoring that, most youtube videos go through a lossy-to-lossy conversion/re-encode when it's uploaded in the first place. Authors typically encode their videos into a lossy format before uploading them, and at least the video stream is always re-encoded by youtube itself once the video has been uploaded. In addition, the source material (like screen captures etc.) is often encoded in a lossy format as well, which would result in the following chain: lossless video capture -> saved to disk (lossy encoding) -> video editor, then save result (lossy encoding) -> upload to youtube -> youtube encodes to formats to be delivered to viewers (lossy encoding) If you specify a non-lossless format to youtube-dl, then append -> youtube-dl re-encode to chosen format (lossy encoding).