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> Your data actually confirms my thesis. I don't think it does. Your thesis was: > the least expensive foods are fresh vegetables This is a vague claim. Are

> Your data actually confirms my thesis. I don't think it does. Your thesis was: > the least expensive foods are fresh vegetables This is a vague claim. Are you looking at the price per - unit? - weight? - volume? - calorie? A cup of milk is a lot more nutritious than a cup of lettuce. A dollar of sardines is a lot more nutritious than a dollar of apples. In most cases, fruits and vegetables are nutritionally more expensive than flour, potatoes, milk, eggs, meat, etc. > So at least for 'fries, burger and coke' in the cheapest place, it's still cheaper to cook - and of course the 'expensive' part is the meat. I have never claimed that fast food was cheaper than cooking at home.

sonnyblarney 8y ago
"This is a vague claim. Are you looking at the price per" It's not vague at all. By basically any nutritional measure, Fruit and Veg are the best deal. Even on the basis of protein, which might sometimes be tricky on 'mostly F&V diet' - it's cheaper - see your own data points for the many Veg's that have a ton of protein, on a cheaper basis than many meats. "A cup of milk is a lot more nutritious than a cup of lettuce." - but maybe not more than a larger serving of Spinach, which is considerably cheaper. "I have never claimed that fast food was cheaper than cooking at home." The theme of this branch of the thread is that 'poor people can't afford to eat healthy' due to things like cheaper fast food' etc. - which is rubbish. There are claims made by the USDA [1] which are totally misrepresentative, to the point of a lie. They claim anyone living >1 mile from a 'large grocery store' is in a 'food desert' - and that the problem lies in tons of 'Quick-e-mart' type places with terrible foods. The problem with their thesis is that '1 mile' is not far to go for groceries, that (almost) everyone does have access to fresh food, and that it's substantially cheaper than the crap in Quick-e-mart. The data essentially validates that 'poor people' are making bad nutritional choices quite on their own, not due to some kind of 'systematic problem'. They are buying crap from Quick-e-mart on their own volition, for whatever reason, not because they are coerced into it due to cost. The fact is that a decent diet is available for relatively low cost to anyone that has the means to cook. I takes a little bit of thinking, but not that much, and yes, some food products which should be more accessible (and possibly healthy) such as some processed foods, meats, dairy etc. are not very accessible, but they are also not necessary for a healthy diet. [1] http://americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/usda-defines-food-deserts http://americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/usda-defi...
- miguelrochefort 8y ago
  > see your own data points for the many Veg's that have a ton of protein, on a cheaper basis than many meats Not really: https://efficiencyiseverything.com/applying-protein-per-dollar/ https://efficiencyiseverything.com/applying-protein-per-doll... > but maybe not more than a larger serving of Spinach, which is considerably cheaper While 100g of spinach almost has as much protein as 100g of milk, it's also 3 times more expensive. > The theme of this branch of the thread is that 'poor people can't afford to eat healthy' due to things like cheaper fast food' etc. - which is rubbish. I don't disagree with you.

sonnyblarney 8y ago

"This is a vague claim. Are you looking at the price per" It's not vague at all. By basically any nutritional measure, Fruit and Veg are the best deal. Even on the basis of protein, which might sometimes be tricky on 'mostly F&V diet' - it's cheaper - see your own data points for the many Veg's that have a ton of protein, on a cheaper basis than many meats. "A cup of milk is a lot more nutritious than a cup of lettuce." - but maybe not more than a larger serving of Spinach, which is considerably cheaper. "I have never claimed that fast food was cheaper than cooking at home." The theme of this branch of the thread is that 'poor people can't afford to eat healthy' due to things like cheaper fast food' etc. - which is rubbish. There are claims made by the USDA [1] which are totally misrepresentative, to the point of a lie. They claim anyone living >1 mile from a 'large grocery store' is in a 'food desert' - and that the problem lies in tons of 'Quick-e-mart' type places with terrible foods. The problem with their thesis is that '1 mile' is not far to go for groceries, that (almost) everyone does have access to fresh food, and that it's substantially cheaper than the crap in Quick-e-mart. The data essentially validates that 'poor people' are making bad nutritional choices quite on their own, not due to some kind of 'systematic problem'. They are buying crap from Quick-e-mart on their own volition, for whatever reason, not because they are coerced into it due to cost. The fact is that a decent diet is available for relatively low cost to anyone that has the means to cook. I takes a little bit of thinking, but not that much, and yes, some food products which should be more accessible (and possibly healthy) such as some processed foods, meats, dairy etc. are not very accessible, but they are also not necessary for a healthy diet. [1] http://americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/usda-defines-food-deserts http://americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/usda-defi...

miguelrochefort 8y ago
> see your own data points for the many Veg's that have a ton of protein, on a cheaper basis than many meats Not really: https://efficiencyiseverything.com/applying-protein-per-dollar/ https://efficiencyiseverything.com/applying-protein-per-doll... > but maybe not more than a larger serving of Spinach, which is considerably cheaper While 100g of spinach almost has as much protein as 100g of milk, it's also 3 times more expensive. > The theme of this branch of the thread is that 'poor people can't afford to eat healthy' due to things like cheaper fast food' etc. - which is rubbish. I don't disagree with you.