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UK residents will also no longer be able to say they live in Europe. /s Norway is still allowed to register EU domains. This seems spiteful.

quink 8y ago
No it doesn’t. Norway has a relationship with the EU, anchored by treaties and all. The UK explicitly rejected it in favour of hard Brexit as it currently stands and won’t.
jf 8y ago
> As reported above, the full communication highlights the fact that this information is subject to any transitional arrangement that may be contained in a possible withdrawal agreement, which is an ongoing negotiation between the United Kingdom and European Commission.
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isostatic 8y ago
Norway is in the EEA. The UK has chosen to leave the EU, not to join the EEA (because it's all about kicking out black British citizens, and damn the cost [0]). This is a consequence. It's a trivial consequence compared to the damage the UK politicians are insisting on doing. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/30/it-is-terrible-but-i-still-want-it-crewe-voters-size-up-no-deal-brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/30/it-is-terri...
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- dogma1138 8y ago
  The U.K. can’t join the EEA (or get a similar deal), Norway stated that it won’t support it and they have veto rights.
  - isostatic 8y ago
    Fortunately the UK is already in the EEA, so there's an easy fix for this.
    - mcv 8y ago
      Norway can keep the UK out of EFTA, with is an intergovernmental organisation representing Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland in negotiations with the EU, and EFTA members are in the EEA through a treaty between EFTA and the EU. (Except Switzerland, which has their own bilateral agreements with EU members, which is horribly complicated and nobody wants to do that again.) Even if Norway doesn't want the UK in EFTA, the UK might still be able to negotiate their own agreement to stay in the EEA despite leaving the EU, if they wanted. But they (or at least the government) don't want that.
    - Kurtz79 8y ago
      The EEA is comprised of the EU and EFTA countries. If UK leaves EU (which it will), and doesn't enter EFTA (which doesn't seem likely), it will be out of the EEA as well by consequence. At this moment the future relationship between the EU and UK is not defined: as other people mentioned, if it ends up with a deal with keeps the UK in the single market, and subject to EU laws, there is no reason why it shouldn't be allowed to keep using the .eu domain.
      - isostatic 8y ago
        > The EEA is comprised of the EU and EFTA countries. Not quite. It doesn't include CH > At this moment the future relationship between the EU and UK is not defined: as other people mentioned, if it ends up with a deal with keeps the UK in the single market, and subject to EU laws, there is no reason why it shouldn't be allowed to keep using the .eu domain. Sure, just ensure that .eu is part of the deal. However as it stands the UK parliament does not want to agree any sort of withdrawal agreement, let alone a future trade deal.
DrJokepu 8y ago
That’s because Norway is part of the EEA.
Kurtz79 8y ago
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/10-years-eu https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/10-years-... "A .eu website tells customers that the brand concerns a legal entity in the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway and, as such, is subject to the trading and consumer laws of these countries." Norway is part of the single market with the EEA and follows EU commercial laws. The UK, as far as we know, won't.
- mcv 8y ago
  If they really wanted, the UK could still stay in the common market. It would be a bit late in the process, and a sudden reversal, but I think a lot of people would be really happy if they'd at least stay in the common market. The problem is that they don't want that. They'd prefer to pick and choose which parts of the common market they get to stay in, while leaving other parts of the common market, and it just doesn't work that way.
  - isostatic 8y ago
    The majority of people would be really happy if they just cancelled the whole process and stayed in the EU
gumby 8y ago
> This seems spiteful. Not at all. The statement is in fact explicit on the subject: "Subject to any transitional arrangement that may be contained in a possible withdrawal agreement..." Norway has such an agreement with the EU. The UK is welcome to put such an agreement in place as well, but appears to be opting not to. Lacking any other agreement, after the exit date the UK will have, at its own request, no legal ties to any EU institutions so why should this one be considered any different?
- lsd5you 8y ago
  Yes at all. There's something unnerving about the way the remain side of the debate all engage in this mafia boss style of low key gas lighting. Let's just not acknowledge the fact that you cannot merely just have have certain things easily. Suddenly rules and technicalities become extremely important to the EU. Something else it is reminiscent of is joining a cult such as scientology. All reassurances and promises on the way in ... but when you try to leave... So in some sense of course Norway has X and Y. They gained these things whilst increasing integration with the EU. Yes I know. Leave voters are less educated and somewhat racist statistically.
  - donaldihunter 8y ago
    Rules and technicalities are extremely important to the EU. The EU exists by virtue of a set of treaties between the member countries. Legally binding documents that require the EU to adhere to said rules and technicalities.
    - lsd5you 8y ago
      They allowed favored nations to flaunt fiscal rules for decades and cannot get their accounts signed off. Plus if some rule doesn't suit then it can get changed. It's not meaningless what you are saying but it's hardly the whole story. In this example (I don't even particularly care personally) they could easily grand father existing .eu domain holders. It would not threaten the existence of the EU to do that, or undermine the integrity of the institution. In fact it would reassure all other holders that they have bought into a stable system. The general EU position on rules is also deeply undemocratic in the sense that the unlimited commitment was not properly communicated or admitted to at the time all this was put into place.

quink 8y ago

No it doesn’t. Norway has a relationship with the EU, anchored by treaties and all. The UK explicitly rejected it in favour of hard Brexit as it currently stands and won’t.

jf 8y ago

> As reported above, the full communication highlights the fact that this information is subject to any transitional arrangement that may be contained in a possible withdrawal agreement, which is an ongoing negotiation between the United Kingdom and European Commission.

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isostatic 8y ago

Norway is in the EEA. The UK has chosen to leave the EU, not to join the EEA (because it's all about kicking out black British citizens, and damn the cost [0]). This is a consequence. It's a trivial consequence compared to the damage the UK politicians are insisting on doing. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/30/it-is-terrible-but-i-still-want-it-crewe-voters-size-up-no-deal-brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/30/it-is-terri...

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dogma1138 8y ago
The U.K. can’t join the EEA (or get a similar deal), Norway stated that it won’t support it and they have veto rights.
- isostatic 8y ago
  Fortunately the UK is already in the EEA, so there's an easy fix for this.
  - mcv 8y ago
    Norway can keep the UK out of EFTA, with is an intergovernmental organisation representing Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland in negotiations with the EU, and EFTA members are in the EEA through a treaty between EFTA and the EU. (Except Switzerland, which has their own bilateral agreements with EU members, which is horribly complicated and nobody wants to do that again.) Even if Norway doesn't want the UK in EFTA, the UK might still be able to negotiate their own agreement to stay in the EEA despite leaving the EU, if they wanted. But they (or at least the government) don't want that.
  - Kurtz79 8y ago
    The EEA is comprised of the EU and EFTA countries. If UK leaves EU (which it will), and doesn't enter EFTA (which doesn't seem likely), it will be out of the EEA as well by consequence. At this moment the future relationship between the EU and UK is not defined: as other people mentioned, if it ends up with a deal with keeps the UK in the single market, and subject to EU laws, there is no reason why it shouldn't be allowed to keep using the .eu domain.
    - isostatic 8y ago
      > The EEA is comprised of the EU and EFTA countries. Not quite. It doesn't include CH > At this moment the future relationship between the EU and UK is not defined: as other people mentioned, if it ends up with a deal with keeps the UK in the single market, and subject to EU laws, there is no reason why it shouldn't be allowed to keep using the .eu domain. Sure, just ensure that .eu is part of the deal. However as it stands the UK parliament does not want to agree any sort of withdrawal agreement, let alone a future trade deal.

DrJokepu 8y ago

That’s because Norway is part of the EEA.

Kurtz79 8y ago

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/10-years-eu https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/10-years-... "A .eu website tells customers that the brand concerns a legal entity in the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway and, as such, is subject to the trading and consumer laws of these countries." Norway is part of the single market with the EEA and follows EU commercial laws. The UK, as far as we know, won't.

mcv 8y ago
If they really wanted, the UK could still stay in the common market. It would be a bit late in the process, and a sudden reversal, but I think a lot of people would be really happy if they'd at least stay in the common market. The problem is that they don't want that. They'd prefer to pick and choose which parts of the common market they get to stay in, while leaving other parts of the common market, and it just doesn't work that way.
- isostatic 8y ago
  The majority of people would be really happy if they just cancelled the whole process and stayed in the EU

gumby 8y ago

> This seems spiteful. Not at all. The statement is in fact explicit on the subject: "Subject to any transitional arrangement that may be contained in a possible withdrawal agreement..." Norway has such an agreement with the EU. The UK is welcome to put such an agreement in place as well, but appears to be opting not to. Lacking any other agreement, after the exit date the UK will have, at its own request, no legal ties to any EU institutions so why should this one be considered any different?

lsd5you 8y ago
Yes at all. There's something unnerving about the way the remain side of the debate all engage in this mafia boss style of low key gas lighting. Let's just not acknowledge the fact that you cannot merely just have have certain things easily. Suddenly rules and technicalities become extremely important to the EU. Something else it is reminiscent of is joining a cult such as scientology. All reassurances and promises on the way in ... but when you try to leave... So in some sense of course Norway has X and Y. They gained these things whilst increasing integration with the EU. Yes I know. Leave voters are less educated and somewhat racist statistically.
- donaldihunter 8y ago
  Rules and technicalities are extremely important to the EU. The EU exists by virtue of a set of treaties between the member countries. Legally binding documents that require the EU to adhere to said rules and technicalities.
  - lsd5you 8y ago
    They allowed favored nations to flaunt fiscal rules for decades and cannot get their accounts signed off. Plus if some rule doesn't suit then it can get changed. It's not meaningless what you are saying but it's hardly the whole story. In this example (I don't even particularly care personally) they could easily grand father existing .eu domain holders. It would not threaten the existence of the EU to do that, or undermine the integrity of the institution. In fact it would reassure all other holders that they have bought into a stable system. The general EU position on rules is also deeply undemocratic in the sense that the unlimited commitment was not properly communicated or admitted to at the time all this was put into place.