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Screw tipping culture. This expectation of a tip by default is a retarded(archaic, slow, ancient) cultural element. If I HAVE to tip for an adequate service, t

Screw tipping culture. This expectation of a tip by default is a retarded(archaic, slow, ancient) cultural element. If I HAVE to tip for an adequate service, then it should be included. If adequate service isn't delivered - then that should be reported to the management. If service that is above and beyond is delivered - then I will gladly pay for the extra service.(And I mean above and beyond, not just literally doing the job as stated)

lenticular 8y ago
These drivers aren't even entitled to minimum wage protections, let alone car maintenance and gas. While I agree that tipping is a bad form of compensation because it is so volatile, this is the only way folks like this are keeping their head above water.
- verelo 8y ago
  This is the only solid rebuttal I've ever really seen someone come up with when seeing complaints about tipping, but my general response still applies: The reason I "buy" from a company/service is so I don't need to worry about "how" my request gets completed. If I need to pay your employee/contractors, i might as well look at hiring them directly and skip the middle-man taking a cut. I'm not your HR department, pay them properly and don't expect me to tip them based on my judgement of their performance.
  - lenticular 8y ago
    I fully agree. It's going to be a while before tipping goes away, but it's being recognized more and more as a problem. Restaurants that get rid of it are usually seen positively. There's a successful brewery in Seattle that has a no-tipping policy. The beers are about a $1 more than elsewhere, so you pay the same. The employees are also paid more in regular wages to make up for this. Everybody wins: The employees make about the same except with more stability, and there is no awkwardness. Tipping in restaurants is really problematic especially due to issues with tipping out the back.
    - verelo 8y ago
      > The employees make about the same except with more stability, and there is no awkwardness. This is my biggest gripe with tipping. It's just a crappy experience as a consumer, and a weird power dynamic for the employee. Promotes class divisions, and makes me feel kind of crappy. I just want everyone to get a fair deal and thats it...
    - baby 8y ago
      There are a bunch of lists about no-tipping restaurants in San Francisco: https://www.zagat.com/b/12-no-tip-eateries-in-san-francisco https://www.zagat.com/b/12-no-tip-eateries-in-san-francisco I'm going through all of them. I tried Zazie the other day and it was really good :) Trying Petit crenn soon.
baby 8y ago
Can someone explain to me why we shouldn't all stop tipping tomorrow?
- annadane 8y ago
  I don't think in general food delivery drivers get compensated for gas so that would be just about the only time I personally would feel obliged to tip - and I mean in places where things are fair, not the U.S. Otherwise I think tipping is a thing people should probably stop doing, or at least to the extent they feel obliged. I've gladly tipped people sometimes when I feel like they went out of their way, but the stigma has to stop.

lenticular 8y ago

These drivers aren't even entitled to minimum wage protections, let alone car maintenance and gas. While I agree that tipping is a bad form of compensation because it is so volatile, this is the only way folks like this are keeping their head above water.

verelo 8y ago
This is the only solid rebuttal I've ever really seen someone come up with when seeing complaints about tipping, but my general response still applies: The reason I "buy" from a company/service is so I don't need to worry about "how" my request gets completed. If I need to pay your employee/contractors, i might as well look at hiring them directly and skip the middle-man taking a cut. I'm not your HR department, pay them properly and don't expect me to tip them based on my judgement of their performance.
- lenticular 8y ago
  I fully agree. It's going to be a while before tipping goes away, but it's being recognized more and more as a problem. Restaurants that get rid of it are usually seen positively. There's a successful brewery in Seattle that has a no-tipping policy. The beers are about a $1 more than elsewhere, so you pay the same. The employees are also paid more in regular wages to make up for this. Everybody wins: The employees make about the same except with more stability, and there is no awkwardness. Tipping in restaurants is really problematic especially due to issues with tipping out the back.
  - verelo 8y ago
    > The employees make about the same except with more stability, and there is no awkwardness. This is my biggest gripe with tipping. It's just a crappy experience as a consumer, and a weird power dynamic for the employee. Promotes class divisions, and makes me feel kind of crappy. I just want everyone to get a fair deal and thats it...
  - baby 8y ago
    There are a bunch of lists about no-tipping restaurants in San Francisco: https://www.zagat.com/b/12-no-tip-eateries-in-san-francisco https://www.zagat.com/b/12-no-tip-eateries-in-san-francisco I'm going through all of them. I tried Zazie the other day and it was really good :) Trying Petit crenn soon.

baby 8y ago

Can someone explain to me why we shouldn't all stop tipping tomorrow?

annadane 8y ago
I don't think in general food delivery drivers get compensated for gas so that would be just about the only time I personally would feel obliged to tip - and I mean in places where things are fair, not the U.S. Otherwise I think tipping is a thing people should probably stop doing, or at least to the extent they feel obliged. I've gladly tipped people sometimes when I feel like they went out of their way, but the stigma has to stop.