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Notice concerning .eu domains registered by UK residents
- devmunchies 8y agoUK residents will also no longer be able to say they live in Europe. /s Norway is still allowed to register EU domains. This seems spiteful.
- quink 8y agoNo it doesn’t. Norway has a relationship with the EU, anchored by treaties and all. The UK explicitly rejected it in favour of hard Brexit as it currently stands and won’t.
- jf 8y ago> As reported above, the full communication highlights the fact that this information is subject to any transitional arrangement that may be contained in a possible withdrawal agreement, which is an ongoing negotiation between the United Kingdom and European Commission.
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- isostatic 8y agoNorway is in the EEA. The UK has chosen to leave the EU, not to join the EEA (because it's all about kicking out black British citizens, and damn the cost [0]). This is a consequence. It's a trivial consequence compared to the damage the UK politicians are insisting on doing. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/30/it-is-terrible-but-i-still-want-it-crewe-voters-size-up-no-deal-brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/30/it-is-terri...
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- dogma1138 8y agoThe U.K. can’t join the EEA (or get a similar deal), Norway stated that it won’t support it and they have veto rights.
- isostatic 8y agoFortunately the UK is already in the EEA, so there's an easy fix for this.
- mcv 8y agoNorway can keep the UK out of EFTA, with is an intergovernmental organisation representing Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland in negotiations with the EU, and EFTA members are in the EEA through a treaty between EFTA and the EU. (Except Switzerland, which has their own bilateral agreements with EU members, which is horribly complicated and nobody wants to do that again.) Even if Norway doesn't want the UK in EFTA, the UK might still be able to negotiate their own agreement to stay in the EEA despite leaving the EU, if they wanted. But they (or at least the government) don't want that.
- Kurtz79 8y agoThe EEA is comprised of the EU and EFTA countries. If UK leaves EU (which it will), and doesn't enter EFTA (which doesn't seem likely), it will be out of the EEA as well by consequence. At this moment the future relationship between the EU and UK is not defined: as other people mentioned, if it ends up with a deal with keeps the UK in the single market, and subject to EU laws, there is no reason why it shouldn't be allowed to keep using the .eu domain.
- isostatic 8y ago> The EEA is comprised of the EU and EFTA countries. Not quite. It doesn't include CH > At this moment the future relationship between the EU and UK is not defined: as other people mentioned, if it ends up with a deal with keeps the UK in the single market, and subject to EU laws, there is no reason why it shouldn't be allowed to keep using the .eu domain. Sure, just ensure that .eu is part of the deal. However as it stands the UK parliament does not want to agree any sort of withdrawal agreement, let alone a future trade deal.
- DrJokepu 8y agoThat’s because Norway is part of the EEA.
- Kurtz79 8y agohttps://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/10-years-eu https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/10-years-... "A .eu website tells customers that the brand concerns a legal entity in the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway and, as such, is subject to the trading and consumer laws of these countries." Norway is part of the single market with the EEA and follows EU commercial laws. The UK, as far as we know, won't.
- mcv 8y agoIf they really wanted, the UK could still stay in the common market. It would be a bit late in the process, and a sudden reversal, but I think a lot of people would be really happy if they'd at least stay in the common market. The problem is that they don't want that. They'd prefer to pick and choose which parts of the common market they get to stay in, while leaving other parts of the common market, and it just doesn't work that way.
- isostatic 8y agoThe majority of people would be really happy if they just cancelled the whole process and stayed in the EU
- gumby 8y ago> This seems spiteful. Not at all. The statement is in fact explicit on the subject: "Subject to any transitional arrangement that may be contained in a possible withdrawal agreement..." Norway has such an agreement with the EU. The UK is welcome to put such an agreement in place as well, but appears to be opting not to. Lacking any other agreement, after the exit date the UK will have, at its own request, no legal ties to any EU institutions so why should this one be considered any different?
- lsd5you 8y agoYes at all. There's something unnerving about the way the remain side of the debate all engage in this mafia boss style of low key gas lighting. Let's just not acknowledge the fact that you cannot merely just have have certain things easily. Suddenly rules and technicalities become extremely important to the EU. Something else it is reminiscent of is joining a cult such as scientology. All reassurances and promises on the way in ... but when you try to leave... So in some sense of course Norway has X and Y. They gained these things whilst increasing integration with the EU. Yes I know. Leave voters are less educated and somewhat racist statistically.
- donaldihunter 8y agoRules and technicalities are extremely important to the EU. The EU exists by virtue of a set of treaties between the member countries. Legally binding documents that require the EU to adhere to said rules and technicalities.
- lsd5you 8y agoThey allowed favored nations to flaunt fiscal rules for decades and cannot get their accounts signed off. Plus if some rule doesn't suit then it can get changed. It's not meaningless what you are saying but it's hardly the whole story. In this example (I don't even particularly care personally) they could easily grand father existing .eu domain holders. It would not threaten the existence of the EU to do that, or undermine the integrity of the institution. In fact it would reassure all other holders that they have bought into a stable system. The general EU position on rules is also deeply undemocratic in the sense that the unlimited commitment was not properly communicated or admitted to at the time all this was put into place.
- simcop2387 8y agoI suspect Estonia is going to get a lot more e-Residents if this happens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Residency_of_Estonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Residency_of_Estonia
- isostatic 8y agoWho in the UK actually has a .eu domain? It can't be that high. Now wanting a legal presence in the EU despite a bunch of old uneducated people ripping it away from you? Sure, that makes sense, and Estonia may be part of the solution, but I don't see it for a .eu domain?
- dizzy3gg 8y agoSee you in hell Tusk :D
- afandian 8y agoContext: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47143135 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47143135
- uasm 8y agoLesson learned: avoid ccTLDs. Reduce future risk by opting in for .com/.net/.org instead. Imagine the thousands of people using X@Y.eu as a personal email address. Those domains will be made available for purchase soon thereafter: > "Twelve months after the UK withdrawal, i.e. on 30 March 2020 00:00:00 CET, all the affected domain names will be REVOKED, and will become AVAILABLE for general registration. For security and stability reasons, the release of all affected domain names will occur in batches from the time they become available."
- CydeWeys 8y agoI work in this industry and this is good advice. gTLDs (especially the new gTLDs) provide way more protection to consumers. ccTLDs are essentially the wild west and the operators have little to no restrictions on what they can do, including taking away people's domain names.
- dsl 8y agoOriginal gTLDs are subject to US law. There could hypothetically be legislation that directs the Department of Commerce (who technically owns the original gTLDs) to not allow registrations to non-US entities, which Verisign would be obligated to enforce. New gTLDs are either corporate owned (.google) or were targeted at dotless domains (.diamonds). The ICANN SSAC killed the business model for the latter after companies had laid out millions, so they will likely face solvency issues in the coming years. ccTLDs are dependent on the political future of the government they are tied to (.ly and Libya is a good example), but at least you have a good idea up front of what you are hitching your cart to.
- isostatic 8y agoThe .eu rules aren't changing though, they are quite clear and have been since they started. Brexit is all about a minority taking away other peoples rights. Blaming the EU for this is disingenuous at best
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- treve 8y agoPersonally I feel this goes against the spirit of what .eu should stand for. Your government not having their shit together doesn't mean you can't identify as european. They should allow anyone on the continent to own a .eu domain.
- ricardobeat 8y ago> They should allow anyone on the continent to own a .eu domain The article is about the UK, which is leaving the EU? Do you think the western bit of Russia, where the majority of their population lives, should have a right to register .eu domains?
- treve 8y agoYes. Who am I to decide who can and can not feel they belong to the European identify.
- zokier 8y ago> Personally I feel this goes against the spirit of what .eu should stand for .eu stands for EU, not just generic "europe".
- rmk2 8y ago> They should allow anyone on the continent to own a .eu domain. Since when is the UK "on the continent"?
- lucb1e 8y agoWell as a Dutchman I would have said they are, but indeed, it seems they do not see themselves as being on the continent. Unless convenient, I guess.
- bigiain 8y agoUmmm, since they invented the idea of continents, pretty much? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#/media/File:Continental_models-Australia.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#/media/File:Continen... Which continent do you think the UK is on?
- andrewstuart 8y agoThis destroys confidence in the entire domain name system, for everyone, everywhere. Sorry facebook but you can no longer have the facebook.com domain because blah blah blah reasons.
- CydeWeys 8y agoThat's being a little bit hyperbolic. There's nothing new under the sun here as far as ccTLDs go. There's a long history of ccTLD operators taking away domains for reasons similar to this. It's what you're (knowingly or unknowingly) signing up for when you register a ccTLD domain name. And yeah, that applies to .io domains as well.
- andrewstuart 8y ago>> There's a long history of ccTLD operators taking away domains for reasons similar to this. Any references for this? Not doubting but interested.
- CydeWeys 8y agoHere's one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ly#Domain_hacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ly#Domain_hacks The punchline is that there's no restriction on what a ccTLD operator can do under their namespace. They aren't governed by ICANN regulations. It's common to restrict domains on ccTLDs to be related to entities doing business in that country, and to require verification of such upon registration (and take it away later if it's found to be in violation).
- andrewstuart 8y agoWell it's a pity. I guess ccTLD operators who want to continue to make monet need to behave in a way that gives as much confidence as possible.
- CydeWeys 8y ago
- Proven 8y ago.eu = censored TLD, stay away from it What's next? Registrar censorship of anti-EU ("fake news!") sites?
- dogma1138 8y agoDomain squatting epidemic incoming.
- jpatokal 8y agoOut of curiosity, how (if at all) is the address you give when registering an .eu domain verified? What's to stop people living in the UK from giving a spurious EU address?