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Since it does in fact have racist origins, maybe a campaign could be organized to make more aware of this? seems like the kind of thing that pretty much everyon

by vokep 8y ago

Since it does in fact have racist origins, maybe a campaign could be organized to make more aware of this? seems like the kind of thing that pretty much everyone except racists would be for, and so its just a matter of getting the word spread, once it is, outrage organically will emerge, and from that hopefully change.

saagarjha 8y ago
> seems like the kind of thing that pretty much everyone except racists would be for Careful: labelling people, no true Scotsman style, is not a great way to push an argument. And it's clear that there is a real problem that needs to be solved (assessing students), so however poor the SAT is at doing this, you're going to have to provide something that can replace it.
rijoja 8y ago
Please enlighten us on what is racist about the test. Then rational people will listen to you. Either it's scientifically correct and thus egalitarian since it'll deal with everyone objectively or it's flawed. The test is in fact meant to discriminate between people, in a purely mathematical sense between those clever enough and those who are not. So unless you can pinpoint where the methodology is flawed, I would recommend you to go and look up the story of "the boy who cried wolf", before running around and accusing everybody you don't agree with for hate-crime.
mikestew 8y ago
Since it does in fact have racist origins The article doesn't say that. The Army test before it seems to fit that description, but my reading says what would become the SAT was simply to keep stupid people out. The fact that the test's author thought "stupid people" would consist primarily of non-Nordic not-white-folk not withstanding, the test is what brought college admissions equality, or at least more of it, to minorities and immigrants. seems like the kind of thing that pretty much everyone except racists would be for Even if it were admittedly design to keep out minorities, the fact that it backfired and did the exact opposite is enough for me to support such a test. So you're calling me a racist? Can't we just have an honest discussion?
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by vokep 8y ago

saagarjha 8y ago

> seems like the kind of thing that pretty much everyone except racists would be for Careful: labelling people, no true Scotsman style, is not a great way to push an argument. And it's clear that there is a real problem that needs to be solved (assessing students), so however poor the SAT is at doing this, you're going to have to provide something that can replace it.

rijoja 8y ago

Please enlighten us on what is racist about the test. Then rational people will listen to you. Either it's scientifically correct and thus egalitarian since it'll deal with everyone objectively or it's flawed. The test is in fact meant to discriminate between people, in a purely mathematical sense between those clever enough and those who are not. So unless you can pinpoint where the methodology is flawed, I would recommend you to go and look up the story of "the boy who cried wolf", before running around and accusing everybody you don't agree with for hate-crime.

mikestew 8y ago

Since it does in fact have racist origins The article doesn't say that. The Army test before it seems to fit that description, but my reading says what would become the SAT was simply to keep stupid people out. The fact that the test's author thought "stupid people" would consist primarily of non-Nordic not-white-folk not withstanding, the test is what brought college admissions equality, or at least more of it, to minorities and immigrants. seems like the kind of thing that pretty much everyone except racists would be for Even if it were admittedly design to keep out minorities, the fact that it backfired and did the exact opposite is enough for me to support such a test. So you're calling me a racist? Can't we just have an honest discussion?

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