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No, they won't. They'll buy the newest Apple phone because it's 10 nanometers thinner and it's a status symbol. Apple Cloud was hacked and celebrity pictures

No, they won't. They'll buy the newest Apple phone because it's 10 nanometers thinner and it's a status symbol. Apple Cloud was hacked and celebrity pictures were stolen and noone batted an eye.

lotsofpulp 8y ago
Figuring out people's easy passwords and password recovery methods isn't a weakness in iCloud, and shouldn't be counted as hacking iCloud. And if you were concerned with security, and had to buy a smartphone, what device is better than an iPhone?
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
  > We didn't give random people loans in your name, your identity was stolen. When you shift responsibility from the provider to the customer, you play right into the security blame game.
  - lotsofpulp 8y ago
    Analogies are useful for illustrating a thought, not for supporting arguments. And identity theft (where the victim can do nothing to protect themselves) is not analogous in the first place. Using multi factor authentication, using long, difficult passwords, and don’t let your security questions be obvious. If someone knocks me out, uses my finger to TouchID into my bank’s app and transfer money, that’s the price I pay for the convenience of not wanting to login with my password. Same with using weak passwords and questions.
    - WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
      You can't seriously say that a multi-million dollar company can't enforce those security features by default. This is the same as having a car recall and having people dying before the letters reach their homes and saying 'they should have known this company's cars could explode'
      - lotsofpulp 8y ago
        I don't understand the purpose of using analogies (valid or not) in this discussion. Apple could have forced people to use multi factor authentication, and whether or not they should have forced it is a separate discussion that can be had. But I was claiming that your original comment was that iCloud was "hacked" is incorrect, since it implies there was some weakness on Apple's technical backend.
        WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
        Not forcing secure by default practices in your secure devices is a weakness on Apple's technical backend. Maybe they should take a couple of notes for their broken cloud implementation from another phone manufacturer in the space that takes security seriously: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/30/iphone-6-encrypted-phone-data-default https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/30/iphone... https://www.cso.com.au/article/577197/apple-tells-ios-9-developers-use-https-exclusively/ https://www.cso.com.au/article/577197/apple-tells-ios-9-deve...
saagarjha 8y ago
> Apple Cloud was hacked and celebrity pictures were stolen and noone batted an eye. iCloud was not hacked; the celebrities were spear phished: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_photos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_phot...
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
  > We didn't give random people loans in your name, your identity was stolen. When you shift responsibility from the provider to the customer, you play right into the security blame game.
  - indigo945 8y ago
    So, if I put a post-it with my PIN and SSN on my credit card and give that to a random stranger, it's the bank's fault?
    - WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
      So, the celebrities put their password in a post-it on their iPhone?
xvector 8y ago
> Apple Cloud was hacked and celebrity pictures were stolen and noone batted an eye. Phishing. I think your comment is pretty disingenuous as Apple has generally showed a strong commitment to privacy and security.
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
  > We didn't give random people loans in your name, your identity was stolen. When you shift responsibility from the provider to the customer, you play right into the security blame game.
GeekyBear 8y ago
The celebgate phishing attacks involved more Google accounts than Apple accounts. >According to court filings, Collins stole photos, videos and sometimes entire iPhone backups from at least 50 iCloud accounts and 72 Gmail accounts, “mostly belonging to celebrities,” between November 2012 and September 2014, when the photos were posted online. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/03/16/the-shockingly-simple-way-the-nude-photos-of-celebgate-were-stolen/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/03...

No, they won't. They'll buy the newest Apple phone because it's 10 nanometers thinner and it's a status symbol. Apple Cloud was hacked and celebrity pictures were stolen and noone batted an eye.

lotsofpulp 8y ago

Figuring out people's easy passwords and password recovery methods isn't a weakness in iCloud, and shouldn't be counted as hacking iCloud. And if you were concerned with security, and had to buy a smartphone, what device is better than an iPhone?

WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
> We didn't give random people loans in your name, your identity was stolen. When you shift responsibility from the provider to the customer, you play right into the security blame game.
- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  Analogies are useful for illustrating a thought, not for supporting arguments. And identity theft (where the victim can do nothing to protect themselves) is not analogous in the first place. Using multi factor authentication, using long, difficult passwords, and don’t let your security questions be obvious. If someone knocks me out, uses my finger to TouchID into my bank’s app and transfer money, that’s the price I pay for the convenience of not wanting to login with my password. Same with using weak passwords and questions.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
    You can't seriously say that a multi-million dollar company can't enforce those security features by default. This is the same as having a car recall and having people dying before the letters reach their homes and saying 'they should have known this company's cars could explode'
    - lotsofpulp 8y ago
      I don't understand the purpose of using analogies (valid or not) in this discussion. Apple could have forced people to use multi factor authentication, and whether or not they should have forced it is a separate discussion that can be had. But I was claiming that your original comment was that iCloud was "hacked" is incorrect, since it implies there was some weakness on Apple's technical backend.
      - WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
        Not forcing secure by default practices in your secure devices is a weakness on Apple's technical backend. Maybe they should take a couple of notes for their broken cloud implementation from another phone manufacturer in the space that takes security seriously: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/30/iphone-6-encrypted-phone-data-default https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/30/iphone... https://www.cso.com.au/article/577197/apple-tells-ios-9-developers-use-https-exclusively/ https://www.cso.com.au/article/577197/apple-tells-ios-9-deve...

saagarjha 8y ago

> Apple Cloud was hacked and celebrity pictures were stolen and noone batted an eye. iCloud was not hacked; the celebrities were spear phished: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_photos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_phot...

WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
> We didn't give random people loans in your name, your identity was stolen. When you shift responsibility from the provider to the customer, you play right into the security blame game.
- indigo945 8y ago
  So, if I put a post-it with my PIN and SSN on my credit card and give that to a random stranger, it's the bank's fault?
  - WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
    So, the celebrities put their password in a post-it on their iPhone?

xvector 8y ago

> Apple Cloud was hacked and celebrity pictures were stolen and noone batted an eye. Phishing. I think your comment is pretty disingenuous as Apple has generally showed a strong commitment to privacy and security.

WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
> We didn't give random people loans in your name, your identity was stolen. When you shift responsibility from the provider to the customer, you play right into the security blame game.

GeekyBear 8y ago

The celebgate phishing attacks involved more Google accounts than Apple accounts. >According to court filings, Collins stole photos, videos and sometimes entire iPhone backups from at least 50 iCloud accounts and 72 Gmail accounts, “mostly belonging to celebrities,” between November 2012 and September 2014, when the photos were posted online. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/03/16/the-shockingly-simple-way-the-nude-photos-of-celebgate-were-stolen/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/03...