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The woman first met her bf/ex-killer because he successfully impersonated/hijacked a verified Instagram account. Both the BF and the other accused killer were p

by danso 8y ago

The woman first met her bf/ex-killer because he successfully impersonated/hijacked a verified Instagram account. Both the BF and the other accused killer were part of UGNazi, accused of mass phishing and successful site attacks. Hell, there’s even an anecdote involving getting yelled at by parents for not logging off of IRC.

walrus01 8y ago
Social engineering your way into an Instagram account, or hiring DDoS services are not "hacking". By the standards of late 1990s Phrack magazine, or modern PoC|GTFO, these clowns couldn't hack their way out of a wet paper bag.
- danso 8y ago
  I don't think that "hacker" is a term that hasn't nor mustn't change/evolve from how it was referred to in a 1990s e-zine. But if you want to argue from the prescriptivist stance, then how are you justified in choosing the 90s definition over its usage in 1963 at MIT, referring to intrusion and unauthorized usage of phone (or, today, the computer) systems, which the UGNazis have definitely been capable of? [0] Here's what Wikipedia has for the "general definition" [1]: 1. an adherent of the technology and programming subculture; see hacker culture. 2. someone who is able to subvert computer security. If doing so for malicious purposes, the person can also be called a cracker And while UGNazi sounds like it ended up being a bunch of assholes acting like assholes, its origin story shares a lot of themes with other widely-recognized hackers: > Around this time, Islam started UGNazi with the intention, he said, of protesting aggressive proposed anti-piracy and cybersecurity legislation Ignoring the argument over whether social engineering is "hacking", the attacks linked to UGNazi have included SQL injections/0-day exploits. Eric Taylor, the UGNazi founder not implicated in the woman's murder, is apparently now a cybersecurity researcher at Path [2] (not the social network, but a network systems startup). There's no indication that he was the only one of the 3 UGNazis to have technical chops. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20071025200829/http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0306B&L=ads-l&P=R5831&m=24290 https://web.archive.org/web/20071025200829/http://listserv.l... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker#Definitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker#Definitions [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/27/eric-taylor-aka-cosmo-the-god-on-cyber.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/27/eric-taylor-aka-cosmo-the-go...
- baroffoos 8y ago
  The modern version of hacker just means doing something bad where a computer was somehow involved.
- oarabbus_ 8y ago
  By the standards of late 1990s Phrack magazine, a 28.8kbps modem was pretty damn sexy so... yeah that may not be the best justification here.

by danso 8y ago

walrus01 8y ago

Social engineering your way into an Instagram account, or hiring DDoS services are not "hacking". By the standards of late 1990s Phrack magazine, or modern PoC|GTFO, these clowns couldn't hack their way out of a wet paper bag.

danso 8y ago
I don't think that "hacker" is a term that hasn't nor mustn't change/evolve from how it was referred to in a 1990s e-zine. But if you want to argue from the prescriptivist stance, then how are you justified in choosing the 90s definition over its usage in 1963 at MIT, referring to intrusion and unauthorized usage of phone (or, today, the computer) systems, which the UGNazis have definitely been capable of? [0] Here's what Wikipedia has for the "general definition" [1]: 1. an adherent of the technology and programming subculture; see hacker culture. 2. someone who is able to subvert computer security. If doing so for malicious purposes, the person can also be called a cracker And while UGNazi sounds like it ended up being a bunch of assholes acting like assholes, its origin story shares a lot of themes with other widely-recognized hackers: > Around this time, Islam started UGNazi with the intention, he said, of protesting aggressive proposed anti-piracy and cybersecurity legislation Ignoring the argument over whether social engineering is "hacking", the attacks linked to UGNazi have included SQL injections/0-day exploits. Eric Taylor, the UGNazi founder not implicated in the woman's murder, is apparently now a cybersecurity researcher at Path [2] (not the social network, but a network systems startup). There's no indication that he was the only one of the 3 UGNazis to have technical chops. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20071025200829/http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0306B&L=ads-l&P=R5831&m=24290 https://web.archive.org/web/20071025200829/http://listserv.l... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker#Definitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker#Definitions [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/27/eric-taylor-aka-cosmo-the-god-on-cyber.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/27/eric-taylor-aka-cosmo-the-go...
baroffoos 8y ago
The modern version of hacker just means doing something bad where a computer was somehow involved.
oarabbus_ 8y ago
By the standards of late 1990s Phrack magazine, a 28.8kbps modem was pretty damn sexy so... yeah that may not be the best justification here.