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Here's a thought exercise; we are moving into renewables with absolute breakneck speed. At this point, it's essentially cheaper to use renewable energy than fos

by Zecar 8y ago

Here's a thought exercise; we are moving into renewables with absolute breakneck speed. At this point, it's essentially cheaper to use renewable energy than fossil fuels. Market forces are moving us towards clean energy at an accelerating rate. Left alone, our economies will rapidly approach 100% renewable energy due to price alone. So ask yourselves why propaganda outlets like the Washington Post (DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS--give me a fucking break) or the NY Times breathlessly run article after article every day preparing citizens to give up their rights to choices; choice of what house they're allowed to live in, what kind of car they're allowed to drive etc. But you can't criticize the golden calf of global warming^H^H^H^Hclimate change right? What's the saying, show me who you're not allowed to criticize and I'll show you who holds power over you.

denimnerd46 8y ago
Already have people telling me i’m not allowed to live in my 3000sqft house with my 2 vehicles in that tiny house thread.
- kaybe 8y ago
  How much fossil energy are you using with this setup? That is the only relevant question for this topic.
  - denimnerd46 8y ago
    Actually it’s a lot more complicated than that. but to answer your question just gas electric and natural gas is a metric ton a month of CO2 out
semi-extrinsic 8y ago
> Left alone, our economies will rapidly approach 100% renewable energy due to price alone. This is a fallacy. Just because renewables in most places are net positive on price today at ~5% market penetration, there's no guarantee that they will remain cheaper than fossil fuels once you start having to pay for grid-scale energy storage. We might well end up with a 30% renewables, 70% fossil fuels situation as the outcome of market forces alone. Furthermore, it's not the total cost of energy from e.g. solar vs. coal power that affects the decision to shut down prematurely a coal powerplant. It's only when the total cost of energy from solar becomes less than the marginal cost of coal power that market forces will shut down the coal powerplant. This means market forces alone will take a very long time to transition towards the future equilibrium.
yongjik 8y ago
> What's the saying, show me who you're not allowed to criticize and I'll show you who holds power over you. How about Mother (fucking) Nature. "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman * To be pedantic, it's not that you cannot criticize Nature: you can do it as much as you want, declare it to be invalid, legislate away its right, like those genius NC lawmakers who made sea level rise illegal. Mother Nature doesn't give a damn.
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by Zecar 8y ago

denimnerd46 8y ago

Already have people telling me i’m not allowed to live in my 3000sqft house with my 2 vehicles in that tiny house thread.

kaybe 8y ago
How much fossil energy are you using with this setup? That is the only relevant question for this topic.
- denimnerd46 8y ago
  Actually it’s a lot more complicated than that. but to answer your question just gas electric and natural gas is a metric ton a month of CO2 out

semi-extrinsic 8y ago

> Left alone, our economies will rapidly approach 100% renewable energy due to price alone. This is a fallacy. Just because renewables in most places are net positive on price today at ~5% market penetration, there's no guarantee that they will remain cheaper than fossil fuels once you start having to pay for grid-scale energy storage. We might well end up with a 30% renewables, 70% fossil fuels situation as the outcome of market forces alone. Furthermore, it's not the total cost of energy from e.g. solar vs. coal power that affects the decision to shut down prematurely a coal powerplant. It's only when the total cost of energy from solar becomes less than the marginal cost of coal power that market forces will shut down the coal powerplant. This means market forces alone will take a very long time to transition towards the future equilibrium.

yongjik 8y ago

> What's the saying, show me who you're not allowed to criticize and I'll show you who holds power over you. How about Mother (fucking) Nature. "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman * To be pedantic, it's not that you cannot criticize Nature: you can do it as much as you want, declare it to be invalid, legislate away its right, like those genius NC lawmakers who made sea level rise illegal. Mother Nature doesn't give a damn.

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