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Max, would you be willing to evaluate Reddit alternatives? One is https://notabug.io/ https://notabug.io/ after the Aaron Swarz quote, has seen hypergrowth sinc

Max, would you be willing to evaluate Reddit alternatives? One is https://notabug.io/ https://notabug.io/ after the Aaron Swarz quote, has seen hypergrowth since it started a few months ago using our P2P tech.

jedberg 8y ago
You do realize that reddit owns Notabug, Inc, yeah?
- jron 8y ago
  notabug.io isn't owned by Reddit.
  - jedberg 8y ago
    I'm aware of that, I'm just saying they own the corporation with the same name, which they got when they acquired Aaron's company.
  - skinnymuch 8y ago
    They own Notabug Inc, not notabug.io
- pier25 8y ago
  The UI is based on some open source repo by Reddit.
  - jedberg 8y ago
    Yeah, it's based on the old open source reddit.
    - RickSanchez2600 8y ago
      Using Gun and Blockchain to mirror content on other servers to prevent data loss. Notabug.io is a P2P tech using the old Reddit UI. http://k666.kr5ddit.com/ http://k666.kr5ddit.com/ Is a free and open source version of http://kr5ddit.com http://kr5ddit.com made to look like the old Scoop and function like Reddit.
- superkuh 8y ago
  There's also a namespace collision on Freenode IRC. The #notabug channel is definitely not for notabug.io it's for the free code hosting group https://notabug.org https://notabug.org
minimaxir 8y ago
You emailed me about this so I'll reply here: I call shenanigans on the hypergrowth, where the metrics you sent me imply ~1 million pageviews per month yet there is barely any engagement or new/original content on the site itself. (and the few comments there appear to be very Voat-esque) Semi-related, I dislike straight-up Reddit/Hacker News clones, including the UI. If Reddit/HN has enough issue to warrant a competitor by cloning the UI, that just repeats the same problem.
- r721 8y ago
  I think ~1 million pageviews (according to SimilarWeb: https://www.similarweb.com/website/notabug.io https://www.similarweb.com/website/notabug.io) is notabug.io+snew.notabug.io (see subdomains section: snew.notabug.io 97.85% notabug.io 2.15%). So notabug itself is 2% of 1 million ~ 20k pageviews.
  - minimaxir 8y ago
    That makes more sense, thanks for that clarification! However, snew.notabug.io is a mirror of the corresponding Reddit posts w/o censorship, which makes it not an alternative! Shenanigans identified!
    - superkuh 8y ago
      As one of the most active users of notabug.io: you're not wrong. There's no hypergrowth. But the tech has real promise and that's the story here. Of course 'alternatives' get the scoundrels first so criticizing it on that merit is a bit generic. There's value in federated systems with a p2p overlay even if they're not attracting the money driven crowds. You can't post sci-hub links openly on reddit. You can't even discuss how to handle DRM and bypass it. Centralized systems are always going to go through the same lifecycle after they reach a critical mass requiring real money. It's not pretty. If anyone can self-host from home or even contribute hosting by visiting with a webrtc enabled browser it benefits a lot of groups pushed out for perfectly cromulent reasons.
Avery3R 8y ago
I hate how comments pop-in out of order. It's distracting.

jedberg 8y ago

You do realize that reddit owns Notabug, Inc, yeah?

jron 8y ago
notabug.io isn't owned by Reddit.
- jedberg 8y ago
  I'm aware of that, I'm just saying they own the corporation with the same name, which they got when they acquired Aaron's company.
- skinnymuch 8y ago
  They own Notabug Inc, not notabug.io
pier25 8y ago
The UI is based on some open source repo by Reddit.
- jedberg 8y ago
  Yeah, it's based on the old open source reddit.
  - RickSanchez2600 8y ago
    Using Gun and Blockchain to mirror content on other servers to prevent data loss. Notabug.io is a P2P tech using the old Reddit UI. http://k666.kr5ddit.com/ http://k666.kr5ddit.com/ Is a free and open source version of http://kr5ddit.com http://kr5ddit.com made to look like the old Scoop and function like Reddit.
superkuh 8y ago
There's also a namespace collision on Freenode IRC. The #notabug channel is definitely not for notabug.io it's for the free code hosting group https://notabug.org https://notabug.org

minimaxir 8y ago

You emailed me about this so I'll reply here: I call shenanigans on the hypergrowth, where the metrics you sent me imply ~1 million pageviews per month yet there is barely any engagement or new/original content on the site itself. (and the few comments there appear to be very Voat-esque) Semi-related, I dislike straight-up Reddit/Hacker News clones, including the UI. If Reddit/HN has enough issue to warrant a competitor by cloning the UI, that just repeats the same problem.

r721 8y ago
I think ~1 million pageviews (according to SimilarWeb: https://www.similarweb.com/website/notabug.io https://www.similarweb.com/website/notabug.io) is notabug.io+snew.notabug.io (see subdomains section: snew.notabug.io 97.85% notabug.io 2.15%). So notabug itself is 2% of 1 million ~ 20k pageviews.
- minimaxir 8y ago
  That makes more sense, thanks for that clarification! However, snew.notabug.io is a mirror of the corresponding Reddit posts w/o censorship, which makes it not an alternative! Shenanigans identified!
  - superkuh 8y ago
    As one of the most active users of notabug.io: you're not wrong. There's no hypergrowth. But the tech has real promise and that's the story here. Of course 'alternatives' get the scoundrels first so criticizing it on that merit is a bit generic. There's value in federated systems with a p2p overlay even if they're not attracting the money driven crowds. You can't post sci-hub links openly on reddit. You can't even discuss how to handle DRM and bypass it. Centralized systems are always going to go through the same lifecycle after they reach a critical mass requiring real money. It's not pretty. If anyone can self-host from home or even contribute hosting by visiting with a webrtc enabled browser it benefits a lot of groups pushed out for perfectly cromulent reasons.

Avery3R 8y ago

I hate how comments pop-in out of order. It's distracting.