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==everyone is the same ethnicity and culture== I think depends on how you define ethnicity and culture. Sweden foreign-born population - 17.0% [1] US foreign

==everyone is the same ethnicity and culture== I think depends on how you define ethnicity and culture. Sweden foreign-born population - 17.0% [1] US foreign-born population - 13.7% [2] [1] https://nordic.businessinsider.com/swedens-foreign-born-population-is-nearly-17-million-people---finns-are-the-biggest-group-2017-3 https://nordic.businessinsider.com/swedens-foreign-born-popu... [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-data/u-s-foreign-born-population-swells-to-highest-in-over-a-century-idUSKCN1LT2HZ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-data/u-s-...

AndrewKemendo 8y ago
Using just the census designated measures would be a fine start. Foreign born population wouldn't begin to address diversity in the US. In Sweden it might be the case that foreign born population is the only source of ethnic diversity. Whereas in the US, the people in northern Maine live in a completely different world than the people in Southern Florida.
- moorhosj 8y ago
  ==Whereas in the US, the people in northern Maine live in a completely different world than the people in Southern Florida.== And your contention is that Stockholm, Malmo, Kiruna, Haparanda and Skalstugan are all the same?
  - AndrewKemendo 8y ago
    My contention is that median variability of cultural attributes between those cities is signifcantly less than median variability of cultural attributes in US cities.
    - moorhosj 8y ago
      That is a fair observation. To clarify, you think that makes it harder to find political solutions because people don't feel they are "in it together"?
      - AndrewKemendo 8y ago
        Exactly. The easier it is to find differences in your group and another group under the same organization, especially with a weak overarching culture, the less likely those groups will coordinate politically and economically.
sol_remmy2 8y ago
US white, non-Hispanic population: 61.3%.... Swedish white, non-Hispanic population: easily 90%+
- AndrewKemendo 8y ago
  Ok great. Now segment that further into cultural and lingusitic differences. The 250,000 "white non-Hispanic" people in Louisiana speaking Creole Patois can't communicate easily with the 200,000 or so "white non-Hispanic" people who speak Appalachian English. "Race" is a starting point, within which there are so many variances in the US. I've traveled a lot of places, but I've yet to find anywhere in the world as diverse at such a wide scale as that in the US. It's messy, violent, uncertain and magnificent.
  - moorhosj 8y ago
    And those distinctions existed when the US middle class was far more robust. You still haven’t proven that demographics and not politics is the cause.
- moorhosj 8y ago
  ==Swedish white, non-Hispanic population: easily 90%+== Not only is this contention wrong [1], it is completely arbitrary. Ethnicity isn't just how you want to draw lines to prove some point. Sweden has multiple ethnicities within what you call "Swedish white, non-Hispanic". This is observed, most obviously, through different dialects and cultures. Swedes that border Norway are different than Swedes that border Finland. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    And white people in the U.S. are also not homogeneous. So what? The U.S. has multiple metropolitan areas that each has a larger population and more ethnic diversity than the smaller European countries. And that's before you even consider the country as a whole.
barberousse 8y ago
Isn't this expected when Sweden has a significantly lower population than the US?

AndrewKemendo 8y ago

Using just the census designated measures would be a fine start. Foreign born population wouldn't begin to address diversity in the US. In Sweden it might be the case that foreign born population is the only source of ethnic diversity. Whereas in the US, the people in northern Maine live in a completely different world than the people in Southern Florida.

moorhosj 8y ago
==Whereas in the US, the people in northern Maine live in a completely different world than the people in Southern Florida.== And your contention is that Stockholm, Malmo, Kiruna, Haparanda and Skalstugan are all the same?
- AndrewKemendo 8y ago
  My contention is that median variability of cultural attributes between those cities is signifcantly less than median variability of cultural attributes in US cities.
  - moorhosj 8y ago
    That is a fair observation. To clarify, you think that makes it harder to find political solutions because people don't feel they are "in it together"?
    - AndrewKemendo 8y ago
      Exactly. The easier it is to find differences in your group and another group under the same organization, especially with a weak overarching culture, the less likely those groups will coordinate politically and economically.

sol_remmy2 8y ago

US white, non-Hispanic population: 61.3%.... Swedish white, non-Hispanic population: easily 90%+

AndrewKemendo 8y ago
Ok great. Now segment that further into cultural and lingusitic differences. The 250,000 "white non-Hispanic" people in Louisiana speaking Creole Patois can't communicate easily with the 200,000 or so "white non-Hispanic" people who speak Appalachian English. "Race" is a starting point, within which there are so many variances in the US. I've traveled a lot of places, but I've yet to find anywhere in the world as diverse at such a wide scale as that in the US. It's messy, violent, uncertain and magnificent.
- moorhosj 8y ago
  And those distinctions existed when the US middle class was far more robust. You still haven’t proven that demographics and not politics is the cause.
moorhosj 8y ago
==Swedish white, non-Hispanic population: easily 90%+== Not only is this contention wrong [1], it is completely arbitrary. Ethnicity isn't just how you want to draw lines to prove some point. Sweden has multiple ethnicities within what you call "Swedish white, non-Hispanic". This is observed, most obviously, through different dialects and cultures. Swedes that border Norway are different than Swedes that border Finland. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  And white people in the U.S. are also not homogeneous. So what? The U.S. has multiple metropolitan areas that each has a larger population and more ethnic diversity than the smaller European countries. And that's before you even consider the country as a whole.

barberousse 8y ago

Isn't this expected when Sweden has a significantly lower population than the US?