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I was the CMO for a unicorn CPG[0], so slightly different take since we sold a physical product. We went crazy with our money back guarantee. We had countless
by theNJR 8y ago
I was the CMO for a unicorn CPG[0], so slightly different take since we sold a physical product.
We went crazy with our money back guarantee. We had countless people whose 'dog' ate their product while still on the doorstep. One person said their cows ate $250 worth. Another person bought a few hundred dollars worth used from someone on a random forum. They all wanted a full refund. A newly hired email marketing coordinator mistakenly sent an offer for free product to 50,000 existing customers that was meant for a small group of new customers.
In every instance, we didn't think twice and gave them what they wanted. The outlier bad actors didn't make a dent when you looked at the entire business.
The philosophy that they were exploiting is what made us worth $1bn.
[0]https://www.inc.com/profile/quest-nutrition https://www.inc.com/profile/quest-nutrition
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y agoYou'd be surprised how few people are willing to be bad actors. The other thing is that tests have proven people trust more if you offer a warranty or even a money-back warranty. Skullcandy headphones are a great example, they're budget headphones that are nothing out there, a little pricy but they have a lifetime warranty. What's a lifetime warranty? They'll replace them as long as you are alive.
- gk1 8y agoV-Moda had (still have?) a similar warranty on their headphones. They broke every year like clockwork, and every time I mailed it in for a brand new pair. This went on for at least four or five years.
- kamarg 8y agoAt least with my recent V-Moda pair they changed it to send us your broken ones and we'll give you a certain amount off your next pair depending on what pair you're sending in and what pair you're buying next. Still a good experience but not as good as the old it broke so here's a shiny new one for free.
- theNJR 8y agoAgreed. I remember those bad actors because they were so extreme and rare. Certainly less than 1%.
- bonestamp2 8y agoReminds me of this time when I bought a box of andes mints circa 2007. The glue that was used to hold the packaging closed was all over the chocolate. It wasn't a big deal, but I was disappointed and I wanted to let them know so they can fix the problem. They wrote back to me saying, "Don't worry, the glue is edible." Ok cool. I don't want to eat the "glue", but I think they missed my point. So I reply suggesting people probably don't want to eat the glue so they should fix the production issue to improve the quality of their product, even if it's just aesthetic. They wrote back asking how much free product would make me happy. None. I didn't want anything for free, I just wanted to make them aware of the problem. But they're operating on the assumption that everyone who complains is a bad actor who wants something for free. But sometimes a money back guarantee is just a good channel to get valuable feedback, if you're willing to accept it.
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago> everyone who complains is a bad actor who wants something for free You'd be surprised how often that is true. Most companies are willing to send free stuff in order to improve your mental image of their product or service.
- JohnFen 8y agoIf a company's product or service is bad, there's no amount of free stuff that they could offer that would improve my image of them. What does improve my image of them is if they acknowledge the problem, treat it (and me) seriously, and make a credible-sounding promise that they'll fix the problem in the future. If all that's done, giving me a refund or replacement will further enhance the company in my eyes, but if it feels like they're just buying me off, it doesn't.
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- sct202 8y agoYou just have to be careful if the bad actors start to recruit other bad actors. There are discords and Facebook groups that are dedicated to sharing where you can exploit a generous policy or error.
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y agoThere's a difference, I've seen plenty of people pile into pricing errors on websites. Noone's buying 500 headphones just to return them a money back guarantee. The only issue you'll have is people abusing the crap out of stuff and expecting a money back guarantee.
- woolvalley 8y agoI think there is a difference in most people's minds between exploiting an upfront pricing/policy mistake and lying after you agreed to pay for something. One is legal, the other one is a crime for starters. Morally it feels fairly different too.
- muzani 8y agoThis is true, but the counterweight is that there are good actors who recruit other good actors too.
- JohnFen 8y ago> The other thing is that tests have proven people trust more if you offer a warranty or even a money-back warranty. Personally, in my own purchasing decisions, warranties mean nothing to me (They're a huge hassle, and I've never had an experience with warranties that didn't make me feel like I've been ripped off) -- but money back guarantees mean a huge amount. Buying something without trying it first is a very risky thing to do. A money-back guarantee (particularly a no-questions-asked one) removes that risk from me and makes it much more likely that I'll take a chance on a product.
- Buttons840 8y agoWonder how many of those people (who I'm assuming were frauds), tried to "make it up to you" by speaking well about your company to others. Seems like something a psyche might do to balance out the lie; "Yes, I lied, but I made it up to them by saying good things about them to my friend, so I am still a good person." And perhaps more importantly, how many of them would have gone on a campaign of vengeance had you not given them a refund, and spoken badly about your company to perhaps thousands of people through online forums.
- jjeaff 8y agoThe cows one at least, is likely true. Cows are very curious and will tear into anything new. Especially any new box they find. Not a good idea to let them get up near your house, but not that uncommon either. I once saw a cow take a big cow sized bite out of the brand new, exposed vinyl seats of a speed boat that was parked in the driveway. She didn't seem to like it, but she took a few more bites just in case.
- jammygit 8y agoMy dog isn't that curious, but if he gets curious about something he vets it by trying to eat it, twice, just in case.
- theNJR 8y agoI don't doubt that cows at their protein bars, but we were pretty far removed from that causality chain (Why were the cows near your mail? Why was FedEx leaving packages near cows?)
- acct1771 8y agoCows do what the fuck they please in many rural areas. Source: Been to a rural area more than a handful of times.
- cmiller1 8y ago>One person said their cows ate $250 worth. That's what you get in the luxury grass as a service business!
- theNJR 8y agoGaaS, baby!
- xkfm 8y agoI can't believe Quest Nutrition was founded in 2010. I started exercising regularly around then, and I remember people talking about it being the only bar worth buying in like 2011-2012. Based off how people talked about the company, I thought it would have been around since 2003-2005.
- theNJR 8y agoDid you find us on Reddit? I made it a mission [0] to be the most talked about bar on Reddit in 2011/2012. [0]https://www.nicholasjrobinson.com/blog/culture-2-0/hacking-human-laziness-with-internet-heuristics https://www.nicholasjrobinson.com/blog/culture-2-0/hacking-h...
- rsp1984 8y agoThis is a great piece of advice. However I think it should be added that a strategy that works for snack products (sub $10 purchase) may not be successfully transferred to more expensive products. It only works as long as the effort for a money-back is essentially not worth most customers' time. This is almost always the case for a sub $10 product, but the economics look different for e.g. a $100 product or a $1000 product.
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- monksy 8y agoI've seen stuff from you guys. That looks amazing what you're doing (keto comptabile chips) I'm going to have to try them.
- theNJR 8y agoWe made this entire line of frozen Keto meals, but were 2 years too early. Should have raised some VC and spun that out. The tortilla chips are insanely good though.
- sqlacid 8y agoI wish the didn't use Sucralose in their protein bars; or even stevia, it's like a bad aftertaste on top of a bad aftertaste.
- theNJR 8y agoSweeteners are a very complicated science, and there is no perfect solution yet. But just about anything is better than real sugar.
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago'Better' except that they all taste awful...
- mixmastamyk 8y agoStevia is usually pretty good but have to keep the amount low.
- PedroBatista 8y agoThis works, but you better have a sizable and stable business that already has been proven, and now want to increase volume by removing risk and uncertainty from the minds of potential customers. If you're in the red, strapped for cash and still figuring out if your business works, that would be a hell of a gamble.
- muzani 8y agoActually it works far better for new businesses. People don't know your product and won't risk it, especially buying online. The guarantee leads to a hell lot of sales and marketing. People avoid manipulating the little guy and usually the people at your doorstep early on are quite desperate for a solution. If anything, this scales poorly to large companies, because they get on exploit forums and it's difficult to train staff to make the call differentiating between valid and fake claims.
- enraged_camel 8y agoZappos has a similar policy with regards to their unlimited free returns and exchanges. They have a tiny group of customers who abuse the hell out of it (and all their customer service reps know who those are), but by and large the policy is responsible for Zappos's massive success (before it was bought by Amazon).
- andrewSC 8y agoCan you apply this same approach (i.e. full refund to an unsatisfied customer) and still be successful as a consultant/freelance? I feel like the stakes are higher because the client could rack up a huge bill then play the “unsatisfied” card leaving you high and dry for your time.
- davidscolgan 8y agoIf the service is writing code, I won't give them the work if they end up wanting a refund. If the service is something monthly, I'd only offer a guarantee on the first month. So I'd say it would still definitely work for freelancers/consultants. Jonathan Stark has a lot of material about this subject that covers more of the nuances.
- andrewSC 8y agoThanks for the feedback and reading/listening suggestion! I'll start to dig into it tonight.
- NicoJuicy 8y agoLol, I actually like the bars :p They have a lot of sodium though
- theNJR 8y agoThe ‘salt is bad’ meme is about as dead as the ‘fat is bad’ one. A study [0] of over 90,000 people found that “… At moderate intake, sodium may have a beneficial role in cardiovascular health, but a potentially more harmful role when intake is very high or very low. This is the relationship we would expect for any essential nutrient and health.” [0]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)31376-X/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
- NicoJuicy 8y agoI never said it was bad, it was an observation with other brands. Ps. I don't trust a lot of research online : https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
- 3pt14159 8y agoWhat does CPG stand for?
- mikek 8y agoConsumer Packaged Goods
- meko 8y agoQuest bars are amazing... Wish they were vegan though. I miss em.