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That's a bit biased. "Easy 2/18" insists that "Invite friends..." is the default button and should be blue, while "Skip" button should be white which makes look

That's a bit biased. "Easy 2/18" insists that "Invite friends..." is the default button and should be blue, while "Skip" button should be white which makes look like it's not a button at all, so a user does not realize that he can skip the useless spamming "Invite" step. I think it's a bad design.

shele 8y ago
Evil design is bad design.
Xelbair 8y ago
Yeah, that one was blatantly biased. It is a dark pattern trying to dissuade user from clicking that button - which honestly is just a bad design. Some of them are genuenly good - the alignment ones for example, but others are open to interpretation where you have to pick the most 'in' option.
- Viker 8y ago
  Dark patterns are still patterns! They key is consistency. Please leave your morals at the door.
  - ken 8y ago
    The tutorial simply says to pick the one that's "more correct". There's nothing that indicates consistency should be valued more highly than ethics -- or any other possible ordering of design priorities.
  - atoav 8y ago
    I have been a designer for 10+ years, when you ask me “which is more correct” I’d always go for the option where skip is also a blue button. Good design is not just consistent patterns, but also clear communications. This is the design equivalent of fraudulent small print in a contract. This is saying to the user: you have two options, but one is rather silly, don’t go for it. In that regard: weighting and sorting options by how often they are used is good design (because it reduces the communicative friction in everyday life). Making the (from a privacy standpoint) better option seem like no real alternative option is increasing the friction for some and manipulating others into not choosing at all. Like a car that warns you about steering right while it praises you for steering left, although both should be equal options. Bad design, because it is bad communication.
    - Viker 8y ago
      Yes. Again all true. But as a product designer your job is usually to make the product in the most cost efficient way for the company, not the user. So implementing design in a way that is also part of the product strategy is good design! The same way IKEA stores are designed to keep you furthest away from the exits. Designing that in a good way is much harder than simply designing a system where the user has to make educated guesses.
- achikin 8y ago
  Yes, mostly they are fun. For some of the exercises I couldn't tell what is wrong but somehow one option looked better than the other.
Spivak 8y ago
The thing that is wrong in the design in having two calls to action. The fact that it's user hostile is a separate issue. You could make the skip button look more like a button but you should still deemphasize all but one action.

shele 8y ago

Evil design is bad design.

Xelbair 8y ago

Yeah, that one was blatantly biased. It is a dark pattern trying to dissuade user from clicking that button - which honestly is just a bad design. Some of them are genuenly good - the alignment ones for example, but others are open to interpretation where you have to pick the most 'in' option.

Viker 8y ago
Dark patterns are still patterns! They key is consistency. Please leave your morals at the door.
- ken 8y ago
  The tutorial simply says to pick the one that's "more correct". There's nothing that indicates consistency should be valued more highly than ethics -- or any other possible ordering of design priorities.
- atoav 8y ago
  I have been a designer for 10+ years, when you ask me “which is more correct” I’d always go for the option where skip is also a blue button. Good design is not just consistent patterns, but also clear communications. This is the design equivalent of fraudulent small print in a contract. This is saying to the user: you have two options, but one is rather silly, don’t go for it. In that regard: weighting and sorting options by how often they are used is good design (because it reduces the communicative friction in everyday life). Making the (from a privacy standpoint) better option seem like no real alternative option is increasing the friction for some and manipulating others into not choosing at all. Like a car that warns you about steering right while it praises you for steering left, although both should be equal options. Bad design, because it is bad communication.
  - Viker 8y ago
    Yes. Again all true. But as a product designer your job is usually to make the product in the most cost efficient way for the company, not the user. So implementing design in a way that is also part of the product strategy is good design! The same way IKEA stores are designed to keep you furthest away from the exits. Designing that in a good way is much harder than simply designing a system where the user has to make educated guesses.
achikin 8y ago
Yes, mostly they are fun. For some of the exercises I couldn't tell what is wrong but somehow one option looked better than the other.

Spivak 8y ago

The thing that is wrong in the design in having two calls to action. The fact that it's user hostile is a separate issue. You could make the skip button look more like a button but you should still deemphasize all but one action.