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> If all are connected, why care for which server I connect to? Mastodon is like E-Mail: You chose who hosts your profile. YOu can send messages to people on o

> If all are connected, why care for which server I connect to? Mastodon is like E-Mail: You chose who hosts your profile. YOu can send messages to people on other servers, but still the server which hosts your account, is your "home server": If it goes down, your account/profile is lost. Also choosing your Mastodon server is about your personal interests: Mastodon servers have local timelines, which only show posts by users on the same server. These timelines often are topic related. E.g. on metalhead.club you will find more metal music content compared to e.g. mastodon.social. Mastodon servers / instances group users by interest and still let all Mastodon users communicate with each other. Btw: I don't consider the terms of use "leftist". They are quite neutral and generally "human friendly". Metalhead.club is not political, but the Terms of use try to prevent hate speech.

drngdds 8y ago
>They are quite neutral and generally "human friendly". They are certainly reasonable and human-friendly! But "you shouldn't be xenophobic or transphobic" is still, unfortunately, a relatively left-wing idea. It excludes people who openly hold beliefs that are very popular within the mainstream American right.
- laumars 8y ago
  No, it's not. It's asking you to simply not post nasty stuff. It doesn't mean you have to embrace other cultures, sexualities or whatnot. It doeesn't even mean you have to like them. It just means keep any nasty comments about such things to yourself (or go say it elsewhere). It's a really sad time for humanity if common courtesy is now considered "left-wing".
  - gfwhukku 8y ago
    >It doesn't mean you have to embrace other cultures, sexualities or whatnot. The rules literally say: >You shall Fight racism and discrimination Which, on my book, is left wing. (And open to be arbitrarily enforced. How do I prove I've been fighting discrimination?)
    - Digit-Al 8y ago
      This is only a guess, but from the context I would assume that he means that if you see someone posting racist or other discriminatory toots(?) that you should challenge them.
      - gfwhukuu 8y ago
        So if they check server-side that I've read a "discriminatory toot" (whatever that means) and I haven't "challenged the guy" (whatever that means) or reported him I can expect to be banned?
        laumars 8y ago
        Clearly the intent of that line is just that people should feel encouraged to report any hate speech. I don't really understand why you've taken such an objection to the very concept of keeping hurtful comments to yourself on some specific public forums; but in any case I get the feeling that you're now just arguing for the sake of arguing.
- nerdponx 8y ago
  As a society I think it's a good thing that we are increasingly stigmatizing open bigotry.
- wolco 8y ago
  Off topic but is transphobic a word the way it is being used. Shouldn't it be trans-a-phonic. Transphobic sounds like being afraid of vampires..
- RankingMember 8y ago
  Sorry that someone telling you, essentially, "Don't be shitty to people who are different from you" is a left vs right ideological issue for you.
  - gfwhukuu 8y ago
    Under those rules, for example, you can be expected to get banned for saying "refugees do not belong in Europe", which is not a personal attack and is pretty much a normal right-wing stance to take.
    - RankingMember 8y ago
      If you're a refugee and someone posts that, how would you feel? Would you consider it a personal attack? Someone challenges your very existence in a place you escaped to only because the circumstances you came from were so dire you felt you had no choice but to uproot your life and leave the land you were born into...and that's not personal? You can hold whatever selfish, "fuck you, got mine- try being born into better circumstances next time, losers!" opinion you want. Your free speech doesn't mean everyone else has to listen intently and earnestly and keep themselves from thinking you're being an a-hole for holding the opinions you do. It also doesn't mean some private social media outlets can't tell you to piss off for posting them in a forum about metal music. There are plenty of places online where you can post such an opinion and be back-slapped and congratulated; lamenting that one takes a preemptive stance against opinions you hold is pretty tender for one who takes such a cold-hearted stance against refugees.
      - gfwhuuku 8y ago
        The same could be said of every other political stance to take, no? Socially, or economically. See how libertarians see taxes. They could also write some melancholic paragraphs like yours. "Imagine you're a hard, honest worker and someone told you part of your money is not yours, you have to give up some of it and give it to the government. Would you consider it a personal attack? Someone challenges your very right to have your own property... and that's not personal?" The thing is that, yes, wanting to reduce the amount of immigrants (for example) is a mainstream political stance. Brexit happened over less! We should be able to have and express our own political ideas as long as we don't go out of our way to harass people over them. This is not about that Mastodon instance in particular, since most instances have the same left-leaning rules.
- runyor 8y ago
  What most "right-wing" thinkers ignore is the fact that they consider excluding others IS THE REASON that people exclude THEM. That's also part of what is freedom. Your freedom ends at the point where you limit the freedom of others. Otherwise the other person wouldn't be free. That's also why most non-right-wing thinkers don't consider that another point of view, but simply selfish and asshole-ish. Therefore if you want to argue your point, maybe you shouldn't highlight what you fight AGAINST (i.e. "left-wingers out", "refugees out") but what you fight FOR, which in some regards also boils down to respecting each other's freedom, right? Show that and you will find that doors will open for discussion. I personally discuss with both people who would be defined as left-wing as well as with people who would be defined as right-wing. Both sides have reasonable people and some reasonable arguments, that are sadly sometimes hidden underneath many layers of bullshit.

drngdds 8y ago

>They are quite neutral and generally "human friendly". They are certainly reasonable and human-friendly! But "you shouldn't be xenophobic or transphobic" is still, unfortunately, a relatively left-wing idea. It excludes people who openly hold beliefs that are very popular within the mainstream American right.

laumars 8y ago
No, it's not. It's asking you to simply not post nasty stuff. It doesn't mean you have to embrace other cultures, sexualities or whatnot. It doeesn't even mean you have to like them. It just means keep any nasty comments about such things to yourself (or go say it elsewhere). It's a really sad time for humanity if common courtesy is now considered "left-wing".
- gfwhukku 8y ago
  >It doesn't mean you have to embrace other cultures, sexualities or whatnot. The rules literally say: >You shall Fight racism and discrimination Which, on my book, is left wing. (And open to be arbitrarily enforced. How do I prove I've been fighting discrimination?)
  - Digit-Al 8y ago
    This is only a guess, but from the context I would assume that he means that if you see someone posting racist or other discriminatory toots(?) that you should challenge them.
    - gfwhukuu 8y ago
      So if they check server-side that I've read a "discriminatory toot" (whatever that means) and I haven't "challenged the guy" (whatever that means) or reported him I can expect to be banned?
      - laumars 8y ago
        Clearly the intent of that line is just that people should feel encouraged to report any hate speech. I don't really understand why you've taken such an objection to the very concept of keeping hurtful comments to yourself on some specific public forums; but in any case I get the feeling that you're now just arguing for the sake of arguing.
nerdponx 8y ago
As a society I think it's a good thing that we are increasingly stigmatizing open bigotry.
wolco 8y ago
Off topic but is transphobic a word the way it is being used. Shouldn't it be trans-a-phonic. Transphobic sounds like being afraid of vampires..
RankingMember 8y ago
Sorry that someone telling you, essentially, "Don't be shitty to people who are different from you" is a left vs right ideological issue for you.
- gfwhukuu 8y ago
  Under those rules, for example, you can be expected to get banned for saying "refugees do not belong in Europe", which is not a personal attack and is pretty much a normal right-wing stance to take.
  - RankingMember 8y ago
    If you're a refugee and someone posts that, how would you feel? Would you consider it a personal attack? Someone challenges your very existence in a place you escaped to only because the circumstances you came from were so dire you felt you had no choice but to uproot your life and leave the land you were born into...and that's not personal? You can hold whatever selfish, "fuck you, got mine- try being born into better circumstances next time, losers!" opinion you want. Your free speech doesn't mean everyone else has to listen intently and earnestly and keep themselves from thinking you're being an a-hole for holding the opinions you do. It also doesn't mean some private social media outlets can't tell you to piss off for posting them in a forum about metal music. There are plenty of places online where you can post such an opinion and be back-slapped and congratulated; lamenting that one takes a preemptive stance against opinions you hold is pretty tender for one who takes such a cold-hearted stance against refugees.
    - gfwhuuku 8y ago
      The same could be said of every other political stance to take, no? Socially, or economically. See how libertarians see taxes. They could also write some melancholic paragraphs like yours. "Imagine you're a hard, honest worker and someone told you part of your money is not yours, you have to give up some of it and give it to the government. Would you consider it a personal attack? Someone challenges your very right to have your own property... and that's not personal?" The thing is that, yes, wanting to reduce the amount of immigrants (for example) is a mainstream political stance. Brexit happened over less! We should be able to have and express our own political ideas as long as we don't go out of our way to harass people over them. This is not about that Mastodon instance in particular, since most instances have the same left-leaning rules.
runyor 8y ago
What most "right-wing" thinkers ignore is the fact that they consider excluding others IS THE REASON that people exclude THEM. That's also part of what is freedom. Your freedom ends at the point where you limit the freedom of others. Otherwise the other person wouldn't be free. That's also why most non-right-wing thinkers don't consider that another point of view, but simply selfish and asshole-ish. Therefore if you want to argue your point, maybe you shouldn't highlight what you fight AGAINST (i.e. "left-wingers out", "refugees out") but what you fight FOR, which in some regards also boils down to respecting each other's freedom, right? Show that and you will find that doors will open for discussion. I personally discuss with both people who would be defined as left-wing as well as with people who would be defined as right-wing. Both sides have reasonable people and some reasonable arguments, that are sadly sometimes hidden underneath many layers of bullshit.