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> The EU is on a roadmap for complete integration along the model of the USA. That's news to me, especially since multiple EU sources have repeatedly denied th

> The EU is on a roadmap for complete integration along the model of the USA. That's news to me, especially since multiple EU sources have repeatedly denied this claim over the years. Could you provide a link to this roadmap of yours?

timrichard 8y ago
Not an official roadmap with regular press releases, but EU Officials (especially recently) are usually quite candid in media interviews about the direction the project is going in. You can see this for yourself in the expansion of power and reach since formation in 1993, and in every treaty since Maastricht. [1] https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/macron-urges-greater-european-integration-in-address-to-bundestag-1.3702249 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/macron-urges-gr... [2] https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/ https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macro... [3] https://www.ft.com/content/18eb3400-989b-11e7-a652-cde3f882dd7b https://www.ft.com/content/18eb3400-989b-11e7-a652-cde3f882d...
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dageshi 8y ago
Has there ever been a time when the EU has devolved power back to the nations within it? I can't ever recall something like that happening. But every decade or so there's a new EU treaty that transfers more power to the EU, eventually you end up with something that looks like the EU as the country and the old nation states as the provinces, but it happens so slowly over time that nobody really stops and asks if that's what everyone wants.
- fmjrey 8y ago
  In France they did ask. In 1992 there was a referendum about Maastricht, where the 'yes' had a tiny lead over the 'no'. In 2005 the French people voted a resounding 'no' to the European consitution , so did the Dutch if I remember well. EU then modified minor things and renamed it the Lisbon treaty, which has been ratified by parliamentary procedure. So even when people opinion is being asked, it's completely circumvented. It is very clear that EU has never been about building a democracy, those that believe that are very naive.
  - timrichard 8y ago
    > In 2005 the French people voted a resounding 'no' to the European consitution , so did the Dutch if I remember well. Along with this, The Irish were forced to vote a second time. Whether the same happens in Britain remains to be seen.

timrichard 8y ago

Not an official roadmap with regular press releases, but EU Officials (especially recently) are usually quite candid in media interviews about the direction the project is going in. You can see this for yourself in the expansion of power and reach since formation in 1993, and in every treaty since Maastricht. [1] https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/macron-urges-greater-european-integration-in-address-to-bundestag-1.3702249 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/macron-urges-gr... [2] https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/ https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macro... [3] https://www.ft.com/content/18eb3400-989b-11e7-a652-cde3f882dd7b https://www.ft.com/content/18eb3400-989b-11e7-a652-cde3f882d...

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dageshi 8y ago

Has there ever been a time when the EU has devolved power back to the nations within it? I can't ever recall something like that happening. But every decade or so there's a new EU treaty that transfers more power to the EU, eventually you end up with something that looks like the EU as the country and the old nation states as the provinces, but it happens so slowly over time that nobody really stops and asks if that's what everyone wants.

fmjrey 8y ago
In France they did ask. In 1992 there was a referendum about Maastricht, where the 'yes' had a tiny lead over the 'no'. In 2005 the French people voted a resounding 'no' to the European consitution , so did the Dutch if I remember well. EU then modified minor things and renamed it the Lisbon treaty, which has been ratified by parliamentary procedure. So even when people opinion is being asked, it's completely circumvented. It is very clear that EU has never been about building a democracy, those that believe that are very naive.
- timrichard 8y ago
  > In 2005 the French people voted a resounding 'no' to the European consitution , so did the Dutch if I remember well. Along with this, The Irish were forced to vote a second time. Whether the same happens in Britain remains to be seen.