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In "The Left Hand of Darkness" I really struggled with naming, maybe because they didn't have a latin-based structure. But I really appreciated on the other han

In "The Left Hand of Darkness" I really struggled with naming, maybe because they didn't have a latin-based structure. But I really appreciated on the other hand her effort to make sense of the language, toponomy and so on all together.

tigerlily 8y ago
I read The Left Hand of Darkness last year. I found the names and place names quite tricky too, but it helped reinforce the alieness of the setting. Ursula's writing is so earnest and immersive. Rigorous world building coupled with veritably human characters made for a wholly engaging and pleasurable read.
- k__ 8y ago
  I read it last year too. [SPOILER ALERT] . . . . . I liked that she convinced me that the main character was a women in the beginning, but later revealing it's actually a man. Otherwise the whole book read more like a fantasy novel than sci-fi. I found it rather boring too.
  - yeahitslikethat 8y ago
    Uh... spoiler alert!
    - detritus 8y ago
      I'm a bit confused by OP here - I didn't at all have that impression. I thought it was fairly clear from the start what the gender of the main protagonist was. Perhaps I misread...
      - k__ 8y ago
        The name didn't sound female to me "Genly Ai"... I know Ai as from Japanese, meaning "love" and I know a girl called that. The story starts from his first-person perspective, and he talks about how he feels insecure and about his fancy robes.
        RosanaAnaDana 8y ago
        The protagonist in Left Hand of Darkness is 100% a human male (and a bit of a man's man to boot).
        k__ 8y ago
        I know, I just didn't think this for the first few pages.
    - k__ 8y ago
      Sorry.
    - the_af 8y ago
      It's not a spoiler. Genly is male and there's no attempt to hide this or any plot mystery about it. The ambivalence is in the gender of the natives of the planet Gethen.
  - dmitriid 8y ago
    > I liked that she convinced me that the main character was a women in the beginning, but later revealing it's actually a man. Try "Too Like Lightning" by Ada Palmer :)
  - jgon 8y ago
    I remember being caught off guard by the main character being black, or at least dark-skinned. It was a really nice off-hand comment that shakes you out of the default world-view you can acquire or project when reading by inserting onself (younger white male in my case) into the novel. The way it was clearly established but then also not dwelt upon really struck me at the time I was reading it, and the entire novel still sticks with me.
    - kej 8y ago
      She did the same thing with Earthsea: >The fantasy tradition I was writing in came from Northern Europe, which is why it was about white people. I’m white, but not European. My people could be any color I liked, and I like red and brown and black. I was a little wily about my color scheme. I figured some white kids (the books were published for “young adults”) might not identify straight off with a brown kid, so I kind of eased the information about skin color in by degrees—hoping that the reader would get “into Ged’s skin” and only then discover it wasn’t a white one.
- alphadevx 8y ago
  Currently reading it for the first time, and agree that Ursula's writing style is immersive, and also I find her quite poetic (some of the fables she weaves into the story are marvelous). I feel just as lost and confused as the envoy so far, which seems appropriate. Also the geek in me loves the Ansible ;-)
the_af 8y ago
Out of curiosity, what names did you have trouble with? Would you say this was one of your first scifi novels? I ask because I'm a native Spanish speaker and had no trouble at all with Le Guin's naming in The Left Hand of Darkness. I remember they were standard scifi-sounding names, though better than the usual fare of names like "R'Lyeh", "Cthulhu", "R'hllor", "Klingon" and "Qo'noS" and such like :) Have you read The Lord of the Rings, and did you have trouble with the made up non-Latin names? (you'd be in good company: I know plenty of people have trouble with Tolkien languages, which I also find puzzling, because I simply assume "these are foreign names" and go on with the plot)

tigerlily 8y ago

I read The Left Hand of Darkness last year. I found the names and place names quite tricky too, but it helped reinforce the alieness of the setting. Ursula's writing is so earnest and immersive. Rigorous world building coupled with veritably human characters made for a wholly engaging and pleasurable read.

k__ 8y ago
I read it last year too. [SPOILER ALERT] . . . . . I liked that she convinced me that the main character was a women in the beginning, but later revealing it's actually a man. Otherwise the whole book read more like a fantasy novel than sci-fi. I found it rather boring too.
- yeahitslikethat 8y ago
  Uh... spoiler alert!
  - detritus 8y ago
    I'm a bit confused by OP here - I didn't at all have that impression. I thought it was fairly clear from the start what the gender of the main protagonist was. Perhaps I misread...
    - k__ 8y ago
      The name didn't sound female to me "Genly Ai"... I know Ai as from Japanese, meaning "love" and I know a girl called that. The story starts from his first-person perspective, and he talks about how he feels insecure and about his fancy robes.
      - RosanaAnaDana 8y ago
        The protagonist in Left Hand of Darkness is 100% a human male (and a bit of a man's man to boot).
        k__ 8y ago
        I know, I just didn't think this for the first few pages.
  - k__ 8y ago
    Sorry.
  - the_af 8y ago
    It's not a spoiler. Genly is male and there's no attempt to hide this or any plot mystery about it. The ambivalence is in the gender of the natives of the planet Gethen.
- dmitriid 8y ago
  > I liked that she convinced me that the main character was a women in the beginning, but later revealing it's actually a man. Try "Too Like Lightning" by Ada Palmer :)
- jgon 8y ago
  I remember being caught off guard by the main character being black, or at least dark-skinned. It was a really nice off-hand comment that shakes you out of the default world-view you can acquire or project when reading by inserting onself (younger white male in my case) into the novel. The way it was clearly established but then also not dwelt upon really struck me at the time I was reading it, and the entire novel still sticks with me.
  - kej 8y ago
    She did the same thing with Earthsea: >The fantasy tradition I was writing in came from Northern Europe, which is why it was about white people. I’m white, but not European. My people could be any color I liked, and I like red and brown and black. I was a little wily about my color scheme. I figured some white kids (the books were published for “young adults”) might not identify straight off with a brown kid, so I kind of eased the information about skin color in by degrees—hoping that the reader would get “into Ged’s skin” and only then discover it wasn’t a white one.
alphadevx 8y ago
Currently reading it for the first time, and agree that Ursula's writing style is immersive, and also I find her quite poetic (some of the fables she weaves into the story are marvelous). I feel just as lost and confused as the envoy so far, which seems appropriate. Also the geek in me loves the Ansible ;-)

the_af 8y ago

Out of curiosity, what names did you have trouble with? Would you say this was one of your first scifi novels? I ask because I'm a native Spanish speaker and had no trouble at all with Le Guin's naming in The Left Hand of Darkness. I remember they were standard scifi-sounding names, though better than the usual fare of names like "R'Lyeh", "Cthulhu", "R'hllor", "Klingon" and "Qo'noS" and such like :) Have you read The Lord of the Rings, and did you have trouble with the made up non-Latin names? (you'd be in good company: I know plenty of people have trouble with Tolkien languages, which I also find puzzling, because I simply assume "these are foreign names" and go on with the plot)