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I think you're missing the point - you may need to move to your own infrastructure for security, privacy, regulatory or accountability reasons. You may encounte

I think you're missing the point - you may need to move to your own infrastructure for security, privacy, regulatory or accountability reasons. You may encounter new needs which AWS may no longer meet, cheap bandwidth for example (AWS bandwidth is both way overpriced and on some rather poor networks). Or Amazon may decide that the price of all their serivces is now going up by a factor of 5 and if you have your attitude, well, you're stuck paying for it. Having relatively easy to spin up alternatives is a great thing. I can run my application entirely on a local kubernetes cluster or one on Amazon, DigitalOcean or Google's cloud services. That sort of flexibility is excellent and has allowed us to scale into situations where we otherwise couldn't have affordably done so (being able to buy some bandwidth from Joe Entrepreneur has it's benefits sometimes).

scarface74 8y ago
Yeah I can see explaining to our business customers who grill us about the reliability of our infrastructure that we host our infrastructure on Digital Ocean....
la6470 8y ago
Kubernetes is not there answer to everything. What you gain in flexibility you lose in complexity. Too much engineering effort in house. Do you want to sell your wares or spend the resource for K8s engineers?
scarface74 8y ago
I think you're missing the point - you may need to move to your own infrastructure for security, privacy, regulatory or accountability reasons. Which compliance regulation require you not to use a cloud provider? At most they may require you to not share a server with another company - that can be done with a drop down - or the data has to be hosted locally - again that can be done by selecting a region.
- pathseeker 8y ago
  >Which compliance regulation require you not to use a cloud provider? The policies that say not to use a company controlled by the US government. Or the ones that say under no circumstances should the data be sent over the Internet to a third party "because OPs are hard".
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Which regulation or policy? Which certification? Name names. It’s not any of the financial, legal, or health care compliance regulations that I’m aware of.
    - EmpirePhoenix 8y ago
      In short most of German laws make it incredibly risky (but not forbidden) to use any american company for any kind of data that can be resolved to the underlying person. (Eg. a lot of companies got their warning shot when "safe harbor" exploded, if the same happens with https://www.privacyshield.gov/welcome https://www.privacyshield.gov/welcome a world of shit awaits)
      - scarface74 8y ago
        That said “transferring data” not “American ownership”. If it is required that your data doesn’t leave the country, just use a region in the EU.

scarface74 8y ago

Yeah I can see explaining to our business customers who grill us about the reliability of our infrastructure that we host our infrastructure on Digital Ocean....

la6470 8y ago

Kubernetes is not there answer to everything. What you gain in flexibility you lose in complexity. Too much engineering effort in house. Do you want to sell your wares or spend the resource for K8s engineers?

scarface74 8y ago

I think you're missing the point - you may need to move to your own infrastructure for security, privacy, regulatory or accountability reasons. Which compliance regulation require you not to use a cloud provider? At most they may require you to not share a server with another company - that can be done with a drop down - or the data has to be hosted locally - again that can be done by selecting a region.

pathseeker 8y ago
>Which compliance regulation require you not to use a cloud provider? The policies that say not to use a company controlled by the US government. Or the ones that say under no circumstances should the data be sent over the Internet to a third party "because OPs are hard".
- scarface74 8y ago
  Which regulation or policy? Which certification? Name names. It’s not any of the financial, legal, or health care compliance regulations that I’m aware of.
  - EmpirePhoenix 8y ago
    In short most of German laws make it incredibly risky (but not forbidden) to use any american company for any kind of data that can be resolved to the underlying person. (Eg. a lot of companies got their warning shot when "safe harbor" exploded, if the same happens with https://www.privacyshield.gov/welcome https://www.privacyshield.gov/welcome a world of shit awaits)
    - scarface74 8y ago
      That said “transferring data” not “American ownership”. If it is required that your data doesn’t leave the country, just use a region in the EU.