"hamburger menus are bad" vs. "no they're good" is such a silly argument to have - all you know about a UI that uses a "hamburger menu" is that there's an icon

"hamburger menus are bad" vs. "no they're good" is such a silly argument to have - all you know about a UI that uses a "hamburger menu" is that there's an icon with three lines involved somewhere. You don't know what the application is for, what options are in the menu, or even the mechanics of the hamburger menu itself - for example on Windows the built-in "hamburger menu" control shows icons in compact state and can be expanded by default, which avoids most of the problems with options being buried, etc. It's frustrating that UI discussions tend to stay on such a superficial level.