> Humans in general are pretty shitty, driven mostly by self-interest. Maybe that's true. Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe it's projection. In any

> Humans in general are pretty shitty, driven mostly by self-interest. Maybe that's true. Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe it's projection. In any case, the real question is whether the people who say it are trying to make it at least a bit better or just using it as an excuse.