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What "US" are you talking about? There are 50 states, all of whom have very different attitudes and values, and within those are thousands of counties, cities,

by jki275 8y ago

What "US" are you talking about? There are 50 states, all of whom have very different attitudes and values, and within those are thousands of counties, cities, towns, and unincorporated areas where nothing you wrote applies.

magduf 8y ago
Most of those small towns and unincorporated areas are useless for someone who makes a living in the tech industry. It doesn't matter how nice a place is; if you can't get good-paying work there, it's not a place you can reasonably live. Face the facts: the tech jobs are mostly all in a handful of metro areas, where everything I said is completely true. And it's a completely reasonable assumption that the vast majority of people reading my comment work in the tech industry.
- jki275 8y ago
  I'm in the tech industry in one of those metro areas, and I grew up in the midwest. Your comment has literally no basis in reality, and your follow-up defense to it has even less. There are good paying tech jobs all over "flyover country" that you discount -- the cost of living is also much lower. One can often work out a situation where their quality of life is better in those areas because of the low cost of living and lack of need to commute like we do in the "metro areas".
  - magduf 8y ago
    Flyover country is full of Trump voters, has no cultural events (unless you consider tractor pulls to be "cultural"), has locals who are generally very religious, and there's zero public transit there. It doesn't compare in any way to the large metro areas. The weather can be really brutal in the midwest too.
    - jki275 8y ago
      You should really educate yourself about what you denigrate before you do it. The culture in "flyover country" is different. It's not non-existent. In fact, in many ways there is far greater diversity throughout the midwest than in your metros -- not everyone votes or thinks the way you want them to think in "flyover country", they tend to be pretty independent.
      - magduf 8y ago
        I grew up in the South, so I know very well what the "culture" in rural America is like. It's not something to be celebrated. Furthermore, you cannot argue that flyover country is full of Trump voters. The voting records are quite clear about that: those states all voted red in 2016.
        jki275 8y ago
        The culture in the midwest is something you personally dislike. That doesn't make it any less relevant, and simply amplifies how unaware you are of the diversity that exists throughout the midwest, west, and south in the non-coastal regions. And it was the rest of the non-flyover states that voted for him that put him over the top to win, so your point is moot. There are Trump voters everywhere except your echo chambers, and even there it's likely there are many of them you don't know about.
coldtea 8y ago
Different when they consider one another, but not so different to an outsider that has seen places.
- jki275 8y ago
  Many view "the US" as a homogenous place, culture, and group of people. Nothing could be further from the truth. And I've spent many years living overseas as well as having grown up in the midwest and now living in one of the largest metro areas in the US.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >Many view "the US" as a homogenous place, culture, and group of people. There are differences in the ways of life between NY and South Dakota, or SF and Alabama, or Denver and New Orleans, but there's also a distinct common national culture and character. Poverty levels, jobs, city vs rural etc change, but culturally all those places are more similar to one another compared to a different country. France is not homogenous either, in the pedantic sense, but in the same we discuss here it is.
    - jki275 8y ago
      I think it used to be that way. Culturally today, the difference between the metro areas and the "flyover country" is increasing to the point that people make silly comments like the gp post that betray a total lack of understanding of the rest of the country. There are some common themes -- but they're becoming less and less common.

by jki275 8y ago

magduf 8y ago

Most of those small towns and unincorporated areas are useless for someone who makes a living in the tech industry. It doesn't matter how nice a place is; if you can't get good-paying work there, it's not a place you can reasonably live. Face the facts: the tech jobs are mostly all in a handful of metro areas, where everything I said is completely true. And it's a completely reasonable assumption that the vast majority of people reading my comment work in the tech industry.

jki275 8y ago
I'm in the tech industry in one of those metro areas, and I grew up in the midwest. Your comment has literally no basis in reality, and your follow-up defense to it has even less. There are good paying tech jobs all over "flyover country" that you discount -- the cost of living is also much lower. One can often work out a situation where their quality of life is better in those areas because of the low cost of living and lack of need to commute like we do in the "metro areas".
- magduf 8y ago
  Flyover country is full of Trump voters, has no cultural events (unless you consider tractor pulls to be "cultural"), has locals who are generally very religious, and there's zero public transit there. It doesn't compare in any way to the large metro areas. The weather can be really brutal in the midwest too.
  - jki275 8y ago
    You should really educate yourself about what you denigrate before you do it. The culture in "flyover country" is different. It's not non-existent. In fact, in many ways there is far greater diversity throughout the midwest than in your metros -- not everyone votes or thinks the way you want them to think in "flyover country", they tend to be pretty independent.
    - magduf 8y ago
      I grew up in the South, so I know very well what the "culture" in rural America is like. It's not something to be celebrated. Furthermore, you cannot argue that flyover country is full of Trump voters. The voting records are quite clear about that: those states all voted red in 2016.
      - jki275 8y ago
        The culture in the midwest is something you personally dislike. That doesn't make it any less relevant, and simply amplifies how unaware you are of the diversity that exists throughout the midwest, west, and south in the non-coastal regions. And it was the rest of the non-flyover states that voted for him that put him over the top to win, so your point is moot. There are Trump voters everywhere except your echo chambers, and even there it's likely there are many of them you don't know about.

coldtea 8y ago

Different when they consider one another, but not so different to an outsider that has seen places.

jki275 8y ago
Many view "the US" as a homogenous place, culture, and group of people. Nothing could be further from the truth. And I've spent many years living overseas as well as having grown up in the midwest and now living in one of the largest metro areas in the US.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >Many view "the US" as a homogenous place, culture, and group of people. There are differences in the ways of life between NY and South Dakota, or SF and Alabama, or Denver and New Orleans, but there's also a distinct common national culture and character. Poverty levels, jobs, city vs rural etc change, but culturally all those places are more similar to one another compared to a different country. France is not homogenous either, in the pedantic sense, but in the same we discuss here it is.
  - jki275 8y ago
    I think it used to be that way. Culturally today, the difference between the metro areas and the "flyover country" is increasing to the point that people make silly comments like the gp post that betray a total lack of understanding of the rest of the country. There are some common themes -- but they're becoming less and less common.