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Seems like a huge risk though. Is it worth saving yourself from a few refunds if you substantially increase your target surface? I see the neee to proove shipp

Seems like a huge risk though. Is it worth saving yourself from a few refunds if you substantially increase your target surface? I see the neee to proove shippment though. But surely giving out the tracking number to the receiver is unneccessary. Any of his customer could find out where he ships from, not just leo

ryanlol 8y ago
Customers inevitably get the tracking # when they receive the product, no?
- flatiron 8y ago
  Usually the tracking number is used by the seller and the moderators to settle disputes. I’ve never had a tracking number sent to me but have had sellers say “it’s supposed to be coming tomorrow” This is on cgmc
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    Generally my cgmc orders come with the tracking # on the packaging, USPS kind of needs that to be able to update the tracking.
threwawasy1228 8y ago
At the same time if he was following standard OPSEC to not ship from the same place twice, and not ship from near where he lived, tracking number would have been completely fine.
- wmf 8y ago
  Except then he'd spend all his time driving instead of earning money. And if he got caught despite following standard OPSEC then armchair commenters would invent new OPSEC that he "should have" followed.
  - threwawasy1228 8y ago
    Sure, I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing, OPSEC in and of itself is definitely a perpetually unfinished iterative process by its nature. If you are actually interested in this gwern has done some excellent statistical analysis on all known arrests related to DNMs over a few specific timeframes.[0] The canonical method seems to be (though I can't confirm this, I am armchair commentator as you say) that most sellers wait until they have a queue of several packages ready and then only do one drive to drop them in the mail, so then it doesn't cut into their time or profits dramatically, whilst also giving them an extra bit of protection. [0] https://www.gwern.net/DNM-arrests https://www.gwern.net/DNM-arrests

ryanlol 8y ago

Customers inevitably get the tracking # when they receive the product, no?

flatiron 8y ago
Usually the tracking number is used by the seller and the moderators to settle disputes. I’ve never had a tracking number sent to me but have had sellers say “it’s supposed to be coming tomorrow” This is on cgmc
- ryanlol 8y ago
  Generally my cgmc orders come with the tracking # on the packaging, USPS kind of needs that to be able to update the tracking.

threwawasy1228 8y ago

At the same time if he was following standard OPSEC to not ship from the same place twice, and not ship from near where he lived, tracking number would have been completely fine.

wmf 8y ago
Except then he'd spend all his time driving instead of earning money. And if he got caught despite following standard OPSEC then armchair commenters would invent new OPSEC that he "should have" followed.
- threwawasy1228 8y ago
  Sure, I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing, OPSEC in and of itself is definitely a perpetually unfinished iterative process by its nature. If you are actually interested in this gwern has done some excellent statistical analysis on all known arrests related to DNMs over a few specific timeframes.[0] The canonical method seems to be (though I can't confirm this, I am armchair commentator as you say) that most sellers wait until they have a queue of several packages ready and then only do one drive to drop them in the mail, so then it doesn't cut into their time or profits dramatically, whilst also giving them an extra bit of protection. [0] https://www.gwern.net/DNM-arrests https://www.gwern.net/DNM-arrests