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From a UX perspective what should have happened is the plane telling the pilots: "I've detected the danger of a stall and corrected for it!" with the pilots bei
by lolc 8y ago
From a UX perspective what should have happened is the plane telling the pilots: "I've detected the danger of a stall and corrected for it!" with the pilots being able to answer either "Ooops thank you!" but also "Don't do this for the rest of the flight!"
I'm a bit baffled about how the previous flight had the problem, apparently misdiagnosed but resolved it, and the new crew had the same problem but was unable resolve it. How's it possible that the plane takes corrective action without telling the pilots? It's not like getting close to a stall is a routine occurrence, is it?
- CydeWeys 8y agoYes, there should definitely be visual and auditory warnings as well when MCAS is engaged. When the autopilot is doing something so important as struggling to prevent a stall (and in its mind, failing, because of the faulty AoA sensor), it definitely needs to be raising alarms. Also, given how important the AoA data apparently is, it may not be displayed prominently enough. In clear weather, level flight flying, it should be really obvious if this is drastically wrong.
- danielvf 8y agoWhen anything in a 737 moves the stabilizers, physical wheels in the cockpit loudly turn right next to the pilots. In the case of a stabilizer runaway, it's really obvious. (See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pPRuFHR1co&t=154 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pPRuFHR1co&t=154) MCAS is just one of many different systems on a 737 that can automatically adjust the stabilizer. Because there are so many things that could be the cause of the problem, the checklist procedure for any runaway is just to cutout automatic control of the stabilizers. Here is Boeing official update to all 737 MAX operators after the crash, which boils down to saying "follow the checklist, dummies". http://www.avioesemusicas.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/TBC-19-Uncommanded-Nose-Down-Stab-Trim-Due-to-AOA.pdf http://www.avioesemusicas.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/TBC...
- lolc 8y agoThanks. So that blaring and the wheels turning is what we assume happened 24 times in that cockpit before the crash? If I understand this right the pilots must have known the plane did adjust stabilizers, but they didn't have a way of finding out why it did it. And per checklist they shouldn't have cared for the why, but just cut-out the automatic control.
- ansible 8y agoHaving yet one more thing beeping / talking at you in an emergency situation isn't always the right design decision...
- kirykl 8y agoSouthwest has added enhanced AOA indicators to its Max fleet as a result [0]. Lion Air didn't even have the basic (optional) AOA Disagree alert[1] [0]https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/southwest-airlines-is-adding-new-angle-of-attack-indicators-to-its-737-max-fleet/ https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/southwest-airlines... [1]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-crash-boeing-aoa/optional-warning-light-could-have-aided-lion-air-engineers-before-crash-experts-idUSKCN1NZ0QL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-crash-boeing-ao...
- CydeWeys 8y agoIt makes you wonder why such a seemingly important alert is optional. Cars these days can't come without seat belts, brakes, ABS, traction control, ESC, and more, but apparently seemingly essential safety features on planes are optional??
- rootusrootus 8y agoI would guess the previous flight's pilots had the same initial 'pull back' impulse but then reverted to their training and followed the checklist after that.