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I don't understand why people spread such fake news so readily. In this case you can TRIVIALLY prove this true or false. Did you decide to test this before stat

by rjf72 8y ago

I don't understand why people spread such fake news so readily. In this case you can TRIVIALLY prove this true or false. Did you decide to test this before stating it? No, obviously not. I decided to search for "space engine exhaust". The reason I searched for this is because it has some hot keywords, but also some keywords that are probably fairly uncommon. The idea was to get a mix of softball hits along with some per engine unique hits. And it looks like it was a pretty good test query. Here they are: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=space+engine+exhaust https://duckduckgo.com/?q=space+engine+exhaust https://www.bing.com/search?q=space+engine+exhaust https://www.bing.com/search?q=space+engine+exhaust And, lo and behold, they give very different results. DuckDuckGo may utilize Bing's results, but they are not "Bing under the covers" by any stretch of the imagination. ----- Just for the sake of completion here is the google search for the same: https://www.google.com/search?q=space+engine+exhaust https://www.google.com/search?q=space+engine+exhaust Interestingly enough I think is a good example of the increasingly large percent of queries where Google gives the clearly worst results. Their top 4/4 results all being for spaceengine.org which is a universe simulator, but very unlikely to be what somebody who was searching for 'space engine exhaust' was after.

freediver 8y ago
I get exactly same results for those two searches. Calling BING API repeatedly may sometimes result in different results.
- rjf72 8y ago
  Can you mention the results you're getting? I see 10 results on DDG. There are only 4 shared results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Main_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Main_Engine https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SSME.html https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SSME.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/05/23/the-emdrive-nasas-impossible-space-engine-really-is-impossible/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/05/23/the-... http://www.braeunig.us/space/propuls.htm http://www.braeunig.us/space/propuls.htm ------------------- The 6 nonshared results are: http://spaceengine.org/manual/making-addons/creating-a-ship/ http://spaceengine.org/manual/making-addons/creating-a-ship/ https://phys.org/news/2018-11-ion-space-aircraft.html https://phys.org/news/2018-11-ion-space-aircraft.html https://www.meineke.com/blog/dual-exhausts-just-for-looks/ https://www.meineke.com/blog/dual-exhausts-just-for-looks/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_(rocket_engine_family) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_(rocket_engine_family) https://www.space.com/34192-spacex-raptor-rocket-test-first-photos.html https://www.space.com/34192-spacex-raptor-rocket-test-first-... http://spaceengineers.wikia.com/wiki/Thruster_mechanics http://spaceengineers.wikia.com/wiki/Thruster_mechanics ----- I just tested this from various countries to ensure this was not biasing it. It wasn't. Bing gives localized results, such as German results when searching from Germany. DDG gives identical results from any country. So presumably everybody is getting these same results from DDG. Are you saying this is also exactly what you got from Bing?
PavlovsCat 8y ago
> here is the google search for the same That's one of the issues for me: those are your results, but there's no telling what anyone else might get when clicking on that link. "Feeds" of all kind, personalized by black boxes rather than explicit parameters we have access to, deprive us of a common (virtual) world to discuss. My top 4 results were http://spaceengine.org/support-old/ http://spaceengine.org/support-old/ , http://forum.spaceengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=33 http://forum.spaceengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=33 , https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/05/23/the-emdrive-nasas-impossible-space-engine-really-is-impossible/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/05/23/the-... and https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SSME.html https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SSME.html
- rjf72 8y ago
  Yeah, this is a very good point. I never use Google anymore and assumed that going incognito would have been enough to get roughly 'bare' results. Perhaps a reminder that just because you don't use Google doesn't mean that Google isn't tracking you extensively in any case due to analytics and countless other indirect forms of tracking and profiling. I just kept reloading the same search through a bunch of different TOR identities + anti-finger printing, and it was like playing search roulette. And indeed there were, on occasion, actually some great results that don't show up elsewhere. It's such a shame that they're all masked behind some black box of tracking with another black box of ML and filtering. It's like two people going to the same library where librarian deciding to hide books from one person or the other because she, and her all seeing eye, thought they'd have less interest in them than other books.
Kiro 8y ago
It's not fake news. They confirm it themselves: https://duck.co/help/results/sources https://duck.co/help/results/sources > In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Oath (formerly Yahoo) and Bing. In other words, all organic results are from Bing and Oath.

by rjf72 8y ago

freediver 8y ago

I get exactly same results for those two searches. Calling BING API repeatedly may sometimes result in different results.

rjf72 8y ago
Can you mention the results you're getting? I see 10 results on DDG. There are only 4 shared results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Main_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Main_Engine https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SSME.html https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SSME.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/05/23/the-emdrive-nasas-impossible-space-engine-really-is-impossible/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/05/23/the-... http://www.braeunig.us/space/propuls.htm http://www.braeunig.us/space/propuls.htm ------------------- The 6 nonshared results are: http://spaceengine.org/manual/making-addons/creating-a-ship/ http://spaceengine.org/manual/making-addons/creating-a-ship/ https://phys.org/news/2018-11-ion-space-aircraft.html https://phys.org/news/2018-11-ion-space-aircraft.html https://www.meineke.com/blog/dual-exhausts-just-for-looks/ https://www.meineke.com/blog/dual-exhausts-just-for-looks/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_(rocket_engine_family) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_(rocket_engine_family) https://www.space.com/34192-spacex-raptor-rocket-test-first-photos.html https://www.space.com/34192-spacex-raptor-rocket-test-first-... http://spaceengineers.wikia.com/wiki/Thruster_mechanics http://spaceengineers.wikia.com/wiki/Thruster_mechanics ----- I just tested this from various countries to ensure this was not biasing it. It wasn't. Bing gives localized results, such as German results when searching from Germany. DDG gives identical results from any country. So presumably everybody is getting these same results from DDG. Are you saying this is also exactly what you got from Bing?

PavlovsCat 8y ago

> here is the google search for the same That's one of the issues for me: those are your results, but there's no telling what anyone else might get when clicking on that link. "Feeds" of all kind, personalized by black boxes rather than explicit parameters we have access to, deprive us of a common (virtual) world to discuss. My top 4 results were http://spaceengine.org/support-old/ http://spaceengine.org/support-old/ , http://forum.spaceengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=33 http://forum.spaceengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=33 , https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/05/23/the-emdrive-nasas-impossible-space-engine-really-is-impossible/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/05/23/the-... and https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SSME.html https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/system_SSME.html

rjf72 8y ago
Yeah, this is a very good point. I never use Google anymore and assumed that going incognito would have been enough to get roughly 'bare' results. Perhaps a reminder that just because you don't use Google doesn't mean that Google isn't tracking you extensively in any case due to analytics and countless other indirect forms of tracking and profiling. I just kept reloading the same search through a bunch of different TOR identities + anti-finger printing, and it was like playing search roulette. And indeed there were, on occasion, actually some great results that don't show up elsewhere. It's such a shame that they're all masked behind some black box of tracking with another black box of ML and filtering. It's like two people going to the same library where librarian deciding to hide books from one person or the other because she, and her all seeing eye, thought they'd have less interest in them than other books.

Kiro 8y ago

It's not fake news. They confirm it themselves: https://duck.co/help/results/sources https://duck.co/help/results/sources > In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Oath (formerly Yahoo) and Bing. In other words, all organic results are from Bing and Oath.