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Nothing you listed shows any harm put onto every day users of their services.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
The original criterion was "harm", and you asked if harm had been put on "anyone". The issue you claim to have with "all these de-Googling articles" is resolved, whether you acknowledge that or not.
- sureaboutthis 8y ago
  You still have not stated any harm caused.
  - justinclift 8y ago
    Well, do you consider ripping off people idea's "harm" or not? Sounds like you'll say "no" and keep on ignoring everything else?
    - sureaboutthis 8y ago
      I asked about users and this whole atmosphere about privacy and data is about users and no one has shown a single instance, much less overall situations, that cause harm to users
      - PavlovsCat 8y ago
        > I asked about users No, you didn't. This is what you said > In what way has anyone had harm put on them by anything Google has done Notice "anyone". Which was in context of > While I don’t believe that folks working at Google are actively trying to do harm Notice "do harm", not "do harm to its users". And you just ignored the examples you've been given. You didn't even contest them, you simply ignored them. Why not make an Ask HN about it, if following links or doing your own research is out of the question? This is basic stuff, why would it have to be explained all over again on every article?
      - justinclift 8y ago
        Would you say that people who've been hmmm... victims (?) of identify theft have been harmed, or is that also a "no"?
  - PavlovsCat 8y ago
    If you clicked the links, you may have noticed the second one was broken, as is the one to the "rap sheet" linked in the article of The Register. However, easy to find: http://googleopoly.net/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Googles_Rap_Sheet.pdf http://googleopoly.net/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Googles_Rap_Sh... Take your pick. I chose this (you have to copy and paste the shortened URL and paste it) https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/01/google-caught-pilfering-kenyan-business-directory-in-sting-operation/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/01/google-caught-pi... > "We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality's data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We've already unreservedly apologized to Mocality." So where you see no harm at all, Google management is "mortified" by what employees had done. I guess a potential out would be trying to split hairs about what constitutes "Google". Not that every one of these stories ends with "oh no, what did these rascals do while unsupervised?", but for the ones that do, you could try that.
    - justinclift 8y ago
      Oops, bad cut-n-paste on my part there. The links should have been: * https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/30/google_slurp_ok/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/30/google_slurp_ok/ * https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/technology/eu-google-fine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/technology/eu-google-fine... * https://variety.com/2019/data/global/google-fined-57-million-in-france-for-breach-of-data-protection-rules-1203113722/ https://variety.com/2019/data/global/google-fined-57-million...

The original criterion was "harm", and you asked if harm had been put on "anyone". The issue you claim to have with "all these de-Googling articles" is resolved, whether you acknowledge that or not.

sureaboutthis 8y ago
You still have not stated any harm caused.
- justinclift 8y ago
  Well, do you consider ripping off people idea's "harm" or not? Sounds like you'll say "no" and keep on ignoring everything else?
  - sureaboutthis 8y ago
    I asked about users and this whole atmosphere about privacy and data is about users and no one has shown a single instance, much less overall situations, that cause harm to users
    - PavlovsCat 8y ago
      > I asked about users No, you didn't. This is what you said > In what way has anyone had harm put on them by anything Google has done Notice "anyone". Which was in context of > While I don’t believe that folks working at Google are actively trying to do harm Notice "do harm", not "do harm to its users". And you just ignored the examples you've been given. You didn't even contest them, you simply ignored them. Why not make an Ask HN about it, if following links or doing your own research is out of the question? This is basic stuff, why would it have to be explained all over again on every article?
    - justinclift 8y ago
      Would you say that people who've been hmmm... victims (?) of identify theft have been harmed, or is that also a "no"?
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  If you clicked the links, you may have noticed the second one was broken, as is the one to the "rap sheet" linked in the article of The Register. However, easy to find: http://googleopoly.net/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Googles_Rap_Sheet.pdf http://googleopoly.net/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Googles_Rap_Sh... Take your pick. I chose this (you have to copy and paste the shortened URL and paste it) https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/01/google-caught-pilfering-kenyan-business-directory-in-sting-operation/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/01/google-caught-pi... > "We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality's data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We've already unreservedly apologized to Mocality." So where you see no harm at all, Google management is "mortified" by what employees had done. I guess a potential out would be trying to split hairs about what constitutes "Google". Not that every one of these stories ends with "oh no, what did these rascals do while unsupervised?", but for the ones that do, you could try that.
  - justinclift 8y ago
    Oops, bad cut-n-paste on my part there. The links should have been: * https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/30/google_slurp_ok/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/30/google_slurp_ok/ * https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/technology/eu-google-fine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/technology/eu-google-fine... * https://variety.com/2019/data/global/google-fined-57-million-in-france-for-breach-of-data-protection-rules-1203113722/ https://variety.com/2019/data/global/google-fined-57-million...