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It's really quite simple. Imagine that you are the employer and an employee of yours, on their free time, goes around agitating others to explicitly hurt your

It's really quite simple. Imagine that you are the employer and an employee of yours, on their free time, goes around agitating others to explicitly hurt your company. Can't get any more nuanced that this.

youdontknowtho 8y ago
Depends on what "hurt" means, doesn't it? If you are "agitating" to organize political action, then the most reasonable course of action is to get the interested parties to a negotiating table and come to an agreement that works for everyone. If "hurt" means "anything that keeps me from making as much money as possible to the exclusion of other people's interests"...
- huhtenberg 8y ago
  Hence the "explicitly" qualifier in my comment. Any hostile intent aimed directly at the company itself.
  - youdontknowtho 8y ago
    Does that mean a material loss of property or just potential loss of profits? I think you get where I'm going with this.
benj111 8y ago
If I go around campaigning to introduce a carbon tax, reduce plastic use, some other initiative. Does my employer have some right to sack me because it might tangentially hit their bottom line? Am I duty bound to vote for, and encourage others to vote for, any party that would lower corporate taxes? Do I have to (in this example) do all my shopping through Amazon, or am I also allowed to shop at competitors? So yes, I think you can get more nuanced
- huhtenberg 8y ago
  > it might tangentially hit their bottom line Take your strawman back. I didn't say "tangentially", I said "explicitly". Anything that is aimed directly at the company itself. Like suggesting to nail the office door shut to prevent any work from being done.
  - benj111 8y ago
    How is it a straw man? You wrote "to explicitly hurt your company". I'm not sure the word explicitly actually changes the meaning here. I could campaign to introduce a carbon tax. I'm not doing it to explicitly hurt my oil company employer. Even if I know it probably will at some level. There's degrees of 'explicitness'. What about campaigning against fossil fuels if you work for an oil company? What about a car company? Theres a line, and I'm willing to bet it will differ from employee to employer.

youdontknowtho 8y ago

Depends on what "hurt" means, doesn't it? If you are "agitating" to organize political action, then the most reasonable course of action is to get the interested parties to a negotiating table and come to an agreement that works for everyone. If "hurt" means "anything that keeps me from making as much money as possible to the exclusion of other people's interests"...

huhtenberg 8y ago
Hence the "explicitly" qualifier in my comment. Any hostile intent aimed directly at the company itself.
- youdontknowtho 8y ago
  Does that mean a material loss of property or just potential loss of profits? I think you get where I'm going with this.

benj111 8y ago

If I go around campaigning to introduce a carbon tax, reduce plastic use, some other initiative. Does my employer have some right to sack me because it might tangentially hit their bottom line? Am I duty bound to vote for, and encourage others to vote for, any party that would lower corporate taxes? Do I have to (in this example) do all my shopping through Amazon, or am I also allowed to shop at competitors? So yes, I think you can get more nuanced

huhtenberg 8y ago
> it might tangentially hit their bottom line Take your strawman back. I didn't say "tangentially", I said "explicitly". Anything that is aimed directly at the company itself. Like suggesting to nail the office door shut to prevent any work from being done.
- benj111 8y ago
  How is it a straw man? You wrote "to explicitly hurt your company". I'm not sure the word explicitly actually changes the meaning here. I could campaign to introduce a carbon tax. I'm not doing it to explicitly hurt my oil company employer. Even if I know it probably will at some level. There's degrees of 'explicitness'. What about campaigning against fossil fuels if you work for an oil company? What about a car company? Theres a line, and I'm willing to bet it will differ from employee to employer.