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Oh sure. If someone really doesn't want to learn, they mostly won't. And of course, yes, that happens a lot. There's a European proverb I quite like which roug

Oh sure. If someone really doesn't want to learn, they mostly won't. And of course, yes, that happens a lot. There's a European proverb I quite like which roughly goes "glasses nor lights will help if the owl does not want to see", meaning exactly that. It doesn't matter how easy something is if the person doesn't want to do it.

JoeAltmaier 8y ago
Still not making myself clear. Some folks will never learn to be a leader, even if they are very intelligent. Things like that are not measured by IQ. Unrelated to being willing to learn. There are many brain-based talents and skills going unmeasured by 'IQ'. Acting. Lying. Empathizing. And on and on. It may be a symptom of what's wrong with our technological Western view of the world, that we ignore/discount all these when taking the measure of a person.
- candiodari 8y ago
  Maybe it's just me but I resent this way of thinking. The science behind IQ is based around statistics and coming up with rational, reasoned way to measure it, and then testing statistical hypotheses. It CANNOT be argued against, for me, by any argument assuming that one's "view" of the situation has anything to do with reality. That is the exact opposite of science, and different only in details to any other religion. If you want to have your postmodern view of the world, go and enjoy it. But you've left science behind. Also: if you believe postmodernism, and that your view can change reality, please explain to me: no matter how much I believe a chair flies, it never flies. I wanted to really test this when I was 19, I literally spent 3 days trying that (2 on a spoon, and this was before the matrix so nothing to do with that, 1 day on a chair). Needless to say didn't work. It wasn't a waste of time, but it proved to me that me spending enormous effort to change my view of the world changes precisely nothing. That science is the only way forward. I have also noticed that me putting in 3 days of sincere effort is far more than anyone I've ever met defending how "one's view changes X" has ever put into it. If such efforts fail to change a spoon, then please explain how any view can change the outcome of studies involving tens of thousands of participants, over more than a century of study. And yes, it's been tested with people who didn't have a western world view too. Same result. So go enjoy your postmodern world view. Seriously. I'm sure it gets you many girls around the campfire. But never again suggest that any such view can compete with any insight gained by real science. Science is right, and not just when it comes to IQ. You are no better than a homeopathic doctor. You are wrong and should restrict your views to settings involving alcohol.

JoeAltmaier 8y ago

Still not making myself clear. Some folks will never learn to be a leader, even if they are very intelligent. Things like that are not measured by IQ. Unrelated to being willing to learn. There are many brain-based talents and skills going unmeasured by 'IQ'. Acting. Lying. Empathizing. And on and on. It may be a symptom of what's wrong with our technological Western view of the world, that we ignore/discount all these when taking the measure of a person.

candiodari 8y ago
Maybe it's just me but I resent this way of thinking. The science behind IQ is based around statistics and coming up with rational, reasoned way to measure it, and then testing statistical hypotheses. It CANNOT be argued against, for me, by any argument assuming that one's "view" of the situation has anything to do with reality. That is the exact opposite of science, and different only in details to any other religion. If you want to have your postmodern view of the world, go and enjoy it. But you've left science behind. Also: if you believe postmodernism, and that your view can change reality, please explain to me: no matter how much I believe a chair flies, it never flies. I wanted to really test this when I was 19, I literally spent 3 days trying that (2 on a spoon, and this was before the matrix so nothing to do with that, 1 day on a chair). Needless to say didn't work. It wasn't a waste of time, but it proved to me that me spending enormous effort to change my view of the world changes precisely nothing. That science is the only way forward. I have also noticed that me putting in 3 days of sincere effort is far more than anyone I've ever met defending how "one's view changes X" has ever put into it. If such efforts fail to change a spoon, then please explain how any view can change the outcome of studies involving tens of thousands of participants, over more than a century of study. And yes, it's been tested with people who didn't have a western world view too. Same result. So go enjoy your postmodern world view. Seriously. I'm sure it gets you many girls around the campfire. But never again suggest that any such view can compete with any insight gained by real science. Science is right, and not just when it comes to IQ. You are no better than a homeopathic doctor. You are wrong and should restrict your views to settings involving alcohol.