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This reminds me of Klaatu's speech in "The Day The Earth Stood Still." They created a race of robots to prevent aggression. "The test of any such higher autho

This reminds me of Klaatu's speech in "The Day The Earth Stood Still." They created a race of robots to prevent aggression. "The test of any such higher authority is, of course, the police force that supports it. For our policemen, we created a race of robots. Their function is to patrol the planets—in space ships like this one—and preserve the peace. In matters of aggression, we have given them absolute power over us; this power can not be revoked. At the ?rst sign of violence, they act automatically against the aggressor. The penalty for provoking their action is too terrible to risk. The result is that we live in peace, without arms or armies, secure in the knowledge that we are free from aggression and war—free to pursue more pro?table enterprises. Now, we do not pretend to have achieved perfection, but we do have a system, and it works."[1] [1] https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1005371_day_the_earth_stood_still/quotes https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1005371_day_the_earth_stood...

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
Fabulous movie. The 1950s one anyway. We'll not speak of the 00's awfulness. If we continue to blindly stumble towards that future we are likely to set 21st century (USA) biases in stone. Racial, national, sexual and corporate biases etc will be baked in. We've seen they usually are in the systems we have already. Yet it will be done mostly innocently, and unaware from accidental bias in training data. Makes for an interesting future.
WalterBright 8y ago
I doubt such a scheme would work. People would just engage in forms of aggression the robots would not recognize. It's like today's popular notion that one can control the thoughts of others by banning certain words.
- TheOtherHobbes 8y ago
  There's a rather obvious gap between calling someone names and throwing nuclear weapons at them. As for controlling thoughts - that's the easiest thing in the world today. There are entire industries devoted to making sure people think as they're told to, and act as they're told to. Of course they don't work on everyone. But if you can fool more than half of the people when you need to, you can do more or less anything you want.
  - WalterBright 8y ago
    My point is there are effective ways to destroy people without using overt violence. > There are entire industries devoted to making sure people think as they're told to, and act as they're told to. I'm talking about punishing people for the use of certain words with the idea that it will reshape their thoughts, which is not the same thing as persuasion techniques.

NeedMoreTea 8y ago

Fabulous movie. The 1950s one anyway. We'll not speak of the 00's awfulness. If we continue to blindly stumble towards that future we are likely to set 21st century (USA) biases in stone. Racial, national, sexual and corporate biases etc will be baked in. We've seen they usually are in the systems we have already. Yet it will be done mostly innocently, and unaware from accidental bias in training data. Makes for an interesting future.

WalterBright 8y ago

I doubt such a scheme would work. People would just engage in forms of aggression the robots would not recognize. It's like today's popular notion that one can control the thoughts of others by banning certain words.

TheOtherHobbes 8y ago
There's a rather obvious gap between calling someone names and throwing nuclear weapons at them. As for controlling thoughts - that's the easiest thing in the world today. There are entire industries devoted to making sure people think as they're told to, and act as they're told to. Of course they don't work on everyone. But if you can fool more than half of the people when you need to, you can do more or less anything you want.
- WalterBright 8y ago
  My point is there are effective ways to destroy people without using overt violence. > There are entire industries devoted to making sure people think as they're told to, and act as they're told to. I'm talking about punishing people for the use of certain words with the idea that it will reshape their thoughts, which is not the same thing as persuasion techniques.