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Ha! Read Hanna Rosin on this: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive

Ha! Read Hanna Rosin on this: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/america... Hannah Rosin studied this for The Atlantic (which is a progressive, left-leaning publication) and concluded that this simply spreads crime around making overall crime rates even higher.

crooked-v 8y ago
I'd like to see any data actually backing that article's claim that crime in midsize cities has been rising (actually rising over a substantial period of time, not just a temporary uptick), given that every other source shows consistent multi-decade downward trends in crime at the national level and for the overwhelming majority of cities. https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/ https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-tr...
wwweston 8y ago
The article does describe the phenomenon you're taking away, but Rosin's take is much more nuanced than "this simply spreads crime around." For example: "Physically redistributing the poor was probably necessary; generations of them were floundering in the high-rises. But instead of coaching them and then carefully spreading them out among many more-affluent neighborhoods, most cities gave them vouchers and told them to move in a rush, with no support."
r00fus 8y ago
The Atlantic is hardly a “left leaning” publication (perhaps they seem left if they challenge Trump?).
- doggydogs94 8y ago
  If you believe that The Atlantic is not left leaning, you must be very far left.
  - wwweston 8y ago
    The Atlantic might be fairly described as technocratic or liberal... but because liberal and left are distinct things, "left-leaning" isn't a good description for it. "Left" and "right" tend to be about specific political positions and values, but an entity that's "liberal" tends to orient less around specific positions and more around meta-values that are about approach (and have a lot in common with western academic and especially post-enlightenment thinking), but will accommodate a variety of other values into discourse, just refereed by the meta-values. So, depending on what you define as "left leaning", you might find examinations and even cases for it (alongside conservative leaning points) in the pages a liberal publication, but they'll be grounded in liberal approach and will likely not be alone. And that's why you'll see things like "Why can't people hear what Jordan Peterson is saying" in the pages of the Atlantic, even though Peterson seems frequently hostile to the left and vice versa, or discussions like "The Two Clashing Meanings of 'Free Speech'" that aren't value judgments about people like Milo Yiannopoulos.

crooked-v 8y ago

I'd like to see any data actually backing that article's claim that crime in midsize cities has been rising (actually rising over a substantial period of time, not just a temporary uptick), given that every other source shows consistent multi-decade downward trends in crime at the national level and for the overwhelming majority of cities. https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/ https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-tr...

wwweston 8y ago

The article does describe the phenomenon you're taking away, but Rosin's take is much more nuanced than "this simply spreads crime around." For example: "Physically redistributing the poor was probably necessary; generations of them were floundering in the high-rises. But instead of coaching them and then carefully spreading them out among many more-affluent neighborhoods, most cities gave them vouchers and told them to move in a rush, with no support."

r00fus 8y ago

The Atlantic is hardly a “left leaning” publication (perhaps they seem left if they challenge Trump?).

doggydogs94 8y ago
If you believe that The Atlantic is not left leaning, you must be very far left.
- wwweston 8y ago
  The Atlantic might be fairly described as technocratic or liberal... but because liberal and left are distinct things, "left-leaning" isn't a good description for it. "Left" and "right" tend to be about specific political positions and values, but an entity that's "liberal" tends to orient less around specific positions and more around meta-values that are about approach (and have a lot in common with western academic and especially post-enlightenment thinking), but will accommodate a variety of other values into discourse, just refereed by the meta-values. So, depending on what you define as "left leaning", you might find examinations and even cases for it (alongside conservative leaning points) in the pages a liberal publication, but they'll be grounded in liberal approach and will likely not be alone. And that's why you'll see things like "Why can't people hear what Jordan Peterson is saying" in the pages of the Atlantic, even though Peterson seems frequently hostile to the left and vice versa, or discussions like "The Two Clashing Meanings of 'Free Speech'" that aren't value judgments about people like Milo Yiannopoulos.