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Not only that, but websites don't have TLS certificates securing their IP-address-form hostnames. The user's browser probably wouldn't even allow the site to lo

Not only that, but websites don't have TLS certificates securing their IP-address-form hostnames. The user's browser probably wouldn't even allow the site to load, if the web server even accepted the IP address as a hostname to begin with. The modern web is virtually useless without DNS.

salawat 8y ago
The poor decisions of developers in relying on the crutch of DNS does not somehow magically elevate IP routing away from being a telecommunications service. I can establish a completely IP based network infrastructure that provides valuable service to customers at broadband speeds. It wouldn't be fun, but it would work. That's inarguably telecom, based on their argument, because it wouldn't involve DNS. If you try to argue against broadband being telecom because it has an automated yellow pages, I don't know what to tell you except you're outright lying about the science, and attempting to perpetuate a maliciously narrow tooled definition in bad faith. Now that we bring up the topic, what the heck is an information service other than a service that serves information over a telecommunication line thereby rendering it a telecommunication service? I feel like I live in a different universe from these people. Like there's fundamental rules or mechanisms I've learned about using language to render a shared experience/common worldview with others that are just absent in these types of proceedings. It has gotten to the point that when I read or listen to these types of things, what people aren't saying sticks out more to me than what they are saying. It's infuriating.
- naasking 8y ago
  > Now that we bring up the topic, what the heck is an information service other than a service that serves information over a telecommunication line thereby rendering it a telecommunication service? I expect they would say that the medium an information service uses isn't relevant. A kiosk on the street or one served over the internet are conceptually the same: someone approaches them for information, and they receive the best answer available. The fact that it takes place over the internet shouldn't convey a status of telecommunication service. However, it seems pretty clear that providing both information and telecommunication services, as ISPs do, doesn't mean they are only an information service.
- topspin 8y ago
  "I feel like I live in a different universe from these people." It's the same universe. Remember that it is difficult to get a person to understand something when their salary depends upon not understanding it. The real paymasters behind the leadership of the FCC expect the FCC to continue drawing the distinctions that serve their interest. Any understanding of the matter that is contrary to "the FCC can't regulate broadband" is, therefore, incomprehensible. It is simple, bald-faced regulatory capture.

salawat 8y ago

The poor decisions of developers in relying on the crutch of DNS does not somehow magically elevate IP routing away from being a telecommunications service. I can establish a completely IP based network infrastructure that provides valuable service to customers at broadband speeds. It wouldn't be fun, but it would work. That's inarguably telecom, based on their argument, because it wouldn't involve DNS. If you try to argue against broadband being telecom because it has an automated yellow pages, I don't know what to tell you except you're outright lying about the science, and attempting to perpetuate a maliciously narrow tooled definition in bad faith. Now that we bring up the topic, what the heck is an information service other than a service that serves information over a telecommunication line thereby rendering it a telecommunication service? I feel like I live in a different universe from these people. Like there's fundamental rules or mechanisms I've learned about using language to render a shared experience/common worldview with others that are just absent in these types of proceedings. It has gotten to the point that when I read or listen to these types of things, what people aren't saying sticks out more to me than what they are saying. It's infuriating.

naasking 8y ago
> Now that we bring up the topic, what the heck is an information service other than a service that serves information over a telecommunication line thereby rendering it a telecommunication service? I expect they would say that the medium an information service uses isn't relevant. A kiosk on the street or one served over the internet are conceptually the same: someone approaches them for information, and they receive the best answer available. The fact that it takes place over the internet shouldn't convey a status of telecommunication service. However, it seems pretty clear that providing both information and telecommunication services, as ISPs do, doesn't mean they are only an information service.
topspin 8y ago
"I feel like I live in a different universe from these people." It's the same universe. Remember that it is difficult to get a person to understand something when their salary depends upon not understanding it. The real paymasters behind the leadership of the FCC expect the FCC to continue drawing the distinctions that serve their interest. Any understanding of the matter that is contrary to "the FCC can't regulate broadband" is, therefore, incomprehensible. It is simple, bald-faced regulatory capture.