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Josiah Wedgwood
- shaderwec 8y agohacker news is shadow banning ? how low can hn go ?
- arbuge 8y ago> By the time Josiah died in 1795, he’d amassed a fortune of £600k pounds (more than US $100m today), and was the 4th richest man in all of England. I found this to be an interesting point about how much the wealth of society has increased since those times. $100m today would not put you anywhere even remotely close to the top of that list.
- mxwsn 8y agoConverting historical currency to modern values becomes increasingly meaningless the longer the time span, and 1795 is a sufficiently different world to today with a different basket of goods that I don't think that's a valuable comparison.
- arethuza 8y agoI've just started reading Victorious Century: The United Kingdom, 1800-1906 and it mentions that the richest Dukes had incomes in the hundreds of thousands per year and, of course, huge capital assets - so that 4th place does seem rather surprising.
- sct202 8y agoFWIW I can't find a reference to him being the 4th richest anywhere else but the article, so they probably just misread something in their sources.
- pjc50 8y agoThe goods available are very different. It would be interesting to compare what that buys you in terms of land and property though. The potteries business of Stoke-on-Trent is so thoroughly vanished that it was a few years ago promoting the sale of houses at £1 to anyone willing to fix them up and live there. Sic transit gloria mundi, I suppose.
- ddoran 8y ago"he's been largely forgotten by time" Perhaps he himself is not well known, but the eponymous company he started in 1759 was the watchword for high-end ceramics for more than two centuries and is still sold to this day. Towards the end of the 20th century, consumer tastes changed and the company faced stiff competition from cheaper imports. Wedgwood merged with another luxury goods company Waterford Crystal in 1987, to become Waterford Wedgwood. The combined companies fared no better as a unit and went into administration in 2009 though the Wedgwood brand survives after being purchased by a private equity company and now a Finnish consumer goods company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford_Wedgwood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford_Wedgwood
- anigbrowl 8y agoReally I think this is just standard America-centric writing - Josiah Wedgewood isn't well-known in the US, so the writer assumes his prior ignorance to be universal. Kinda the same way that many Americans think the telephone and television were invented here.
- empath75 8y agoI don’t even think that’s accurate. If you watch antiques roadshow, wedgewood pottery comes up all the time. Anybody that’s into antiques knows about them.
- gerdesj 8y agoInteresting you picked on two Scottish inventions. Given that Bell founded AT&T, the invention of telephony being a US thing is at least debatable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell . TV was a bit more British ... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logie_Baird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logie_Baird)
- dpau 8y agoNice article, but I find it strange that not once was the gorilla in the room mentioned- China. Wedgwood was working in a world that had been re-shaped by Chinese export porcelain, one of the first examples of a truly global product and marketing "brand". Chinese porcelain was of extremely high quality (some of it unrivaled even today), technologically advanced, culturally complex, and cherished by the European nobility. European potters like Wedgwood were desperately trying to re-create the purity and beauty of the Chinese product. I would argue that what Wedgwood came up with was not only technologically inferior but also a strange cultural mishmash of influences with less cultural value than Chinese porcelain. I highly recommend Joseph Needham's "Science and Civilisation in China" Volume 5, Part 12, covers Ceramic Technology: https://books.google.com/books?id=mabcHwmAD5oC https://books.google.com/books?id=mabcHwmAD5oC
- kerbalspacepro 8y ago>European potters like Wedgwood were desperately trying to re-create the purity and beauty of the Chinese product. Oh, how the pottery turntable turns. >Chinese manufacturers like Huawei were desperately trying to re-create the purity and beauty of the American product.
- laumars 8y agoI think that’s grossly unfair given the American products you refer to are also manufactured in China. So they clearly have the knowhow to produce high quality products - even if they often prefer to target the non-premium market (which probably makes better financial sense when it comes to selling hardware domestically)
- kerbalspacepro 8y agoManufacturing things is a commodity, creating things is where the value is.
- Theodores 8y agoHistorically China has been ahead of the West by centuries if not millennia! It has taken me a lot of reading about the Opium Wars and what went on before to come to this conclusion. We in the West are but cultural infants with a lot to learn. Really. Regarding those phones you speak of, they might have been designed in Silicon Valley but 'anyone' can design a phone, making one is a lot harder. It is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration really. We would be kind of stuck at the making bit without the hard work and ingenuity of folks in China. Apple and co went there to get products made not just because of cheaper labour but because China can do such things. The more one learns about China the more one rejects Trumpist 'they steal our IP' arguments and the more one respects Chinese history, culture and hard working attitudes. Nope, China is not perfect and not for everyone, they have a lot of problems but they also have a quite aggressive Western media that always wants to do them down with so much whataboutism, e.g. 'human rights' which is so rich considering that the US locks up so many millions of people.
- georgecmu 8y agoInteresting they didn't mention that Charles Darwin was his grandson. The pottery business funded Darwin's voyage on the Beagle.
- bromuro 8y agoI don’t get it... Why it is interesting they didn’t mention it?
- labster 8y ago"Interesting that" is just a figure of speech that people use to introduce information weakly related to OP.
- scarejunba 8y agoHaha right but it’s interesting that Charles Darwin was the grandson. It isn’t interesting that they didn’t mention it. Sorry for perpetuating meta discussion.
- pseudoanonymity 8y agoI'd argue that it is an interesting element to the story. To add a little hyperbole, the wealth cascaded down two generations and helped enable a lifetime of serious scientific work that fundamentally changed the world.
- scarejunba 8y agoFair enough. Consider me convinced.
- timClicks 8y agoFascinating. I've always assumed that the expeditions were funded by patrons. That never really seemed right to be though, because Charles Darwin wasn't very sociable IIRC.
- amayne 8y agoJacob Fugger might disagree... Still, a very interesting read.
- softwaredoug 8y agoThis article reads a bit too triumphal for my tastes. Factory towns and globalized industrialization have a dark side. Certainly this story can’t all be roses?
- BethGagaShaggy 8y agoDo you hold tea in your mouth until it tastes bad, too? Things have good and bad sides. Be mindful of each on its own time.
- falsedan 8y agoTelling other people not to share their opinions on HN is a dick move.
- puranjay 8y agoI'd wager that living in a factory town beats starving to death in a countryside hovel. Even in modern day industrial towns and gigafactories, a lot of the criticism is coming from external forces; the workers are often happy to have a job and make any money at all.
- rasengan0 8y agoi am a potter and i approve of this article :-)
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