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Why is this such an issue? It is no harder exiting vim than it is exiting plain old vi, nvi or any other vi clone. In fact, the very same keystrokes that you us

by torgny 8y ago

Why is this such an issue? It is no harder exiting vim than it is exiting plain old vi, nvi or any other vi clone. In fact, the very same keystrokes that you use for exiting vi can be used in vim as well.

thosakwe 8y ago
Did you consider the case where the user has never used any vi variant before?
- sureaboutthis 8y ago
  Then why the hell are they using Unix at all?!
  - afiori 8y ago
    Last time I checked there was no questionnaire to download any distro.
    - sureaboutthis 8y ago
      That has nothing to do with the subject or my comment.
- mario0b1 8y ago
  it's still not much harder. Just press F1, like in most applications or type "<programname> cheatsheet" into your favorite search engine. Takes less than a minute to figure it out.
  - paublyrne 8y ago
    I assume people type 'quit vim' into their favourite search engine as that's a shorter search term, and get the SO link. I don't think many people actually search SO directly.
  - JeremyBanks 8y ago
    ...yup, and that’s how the phrase in the title is made true.
- torgny 8y ago
  Yes. Of course I did. I merely tried (and failed) to sarcastically draw attention to how some computer users seem unaware of the fact that vim is a vi clone, that vim is one of many implementations in a family of similar text editors. The way the poster uses the specific term 'vim' while asking a question that pertains to vi-style editors in general implies that he or she is indeed unaware of this. To my ears, it is a bit like asking the question "how do I make a red Volvo 240 from 1982 go right?" to which my reply would be "you do it the same way as you do with any car in general, namely turning the wheel clockwise". If you have never seen a car before and suddenly find yourself in the driver's seat of one, asking such a specific question may make sense. I suppose that the situation is similar for these computer users: vim is the only vi-style editor they have ever seen because it is what ships with the only unix-like systems they ever encounter.
SeanLuke 8y ago
or ed! Wait, I don't think I'm helping your case.
- tempodox 8y ago
  ed(1) is the standard text editor: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html

by torgny 8y ago

thosakwe 8y ago

Did you consider the case where the user has never used any vi variant before?

sureaboutthis 8y ago
Then why the hell are they using Unix at all?!
- afiori 8y ago
  Last time I checked there was no questionnaire to download any distro.
  - sureaboutthis 8y ago
    That has nothing to do with the subject or my comment.
mario0b1 8y ago
it's still not much harder. Just press F1, like in most applications or type "<programname> cheatsheet" into your favorite search engine. Takes less than a minute to figure it out.
- paublyrne 8y ago
  I assume people type 'quit vim' into their favourite search engine as that's a shorter search term, and get the SO link. I don't think many people actually search SO directly.
- JeremyBanks 8y ago
  ...yup, and that’s how the phrase in the title is made true.
torgny 8y ago
Yes. Of course I did. I merely tried (and failed) to sarcastically draw attention to how some computer users seem unaware of the fact that vim is a vi clone, that vim is one of many implementations in a family of similar text editors. The way the poster uses the specific term 'vim' while asking a question that pertains to vi-style editors in general implies that he or she is indeed unaware of this. To my ears, it is a bit like asking the question "how do I make a red Volvo 240 from 1982 go right?" to which my reply would be "you do it the same way as you do with any car in general, namely turning the wheel clockwise". If you have never seen a car before and suddenly find yourself in the driver's seat of one, asking such a specific question may make sense. I suppose that the situation is similar for these computer users: vim is the only vi-style editor they have ever seen because it is what ships with the only unix-like systems they ever encounter.

SeanLuke 8y ago

or ed! Wait, I don't think I'm helping your case.

tempodox 8y ago
ed(1) is the standard text editor: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html