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The analogy of JavaScript to addictive drugs should be comical but instead I'm starting to find this "JavaScript derangement syndrome" stuff just goddamn tireso

The analogy of JavaScript to addictive drugs should be comical but instead I'm starting to find this "JavaScript derangement syndrome" stuff just goddamn tiresome. If you're not visiting websites that rely on JS, you're not using the same internet as the vast majority of people who use the internet. Good for you, I guess. Good luck looking at a map in a web browser without JS, although I'm sure you'd never sully your computer by visiting a Google website.

zzzcpan 8y ago
You can argue the same about blocking ads. Yes, not having ads and javascript is very different user experience. Very much not the same internet. But why would you want it any other way, why go back to that ad-riddled annoying slow insecure manipulative web that the vast majority apparently use?
- leftyted 8y ago
  If you want to write your own OS and run it on the computer that you built from whalebone which you harvested from the bottom of the ocean in a submarine you constructed from graphene, well, gee, that's wonderful. But it has nothing to do with how the proverbial Man On The Internet lives his life and the internet is built for that dude, not you. The fact that people go around on this website boasting about how they "refuse to execute JavaScript on their computers" was funny to me like two years ago but now it's just sad. Is this really the hill you guys want to die on? If so, could you please die quietly and maybe stay in the shade so I don't have to watch? Thanks.
Rapzid 8y ago
Certainly it would seem that most holdovers no longer have objective arguments that would tip most people off JavaScript on the cost/benefit scale. I believe it's worth considering that most of the people left with that viewpoint may have a.. psychological need to keep JavaScript off. Very strong personal preference or otherwise. And that's fine! I get the fatigue though. At this point we are pretty far out from this being a real bottom line issue; not since most businesses even stopped requiring Javascript be disabled. We have finally arrived at the promised land; SNI, Javascript, and greenfield browsers. Rejoice!
Nasrudith 8y ago
That is part of why it pisses people off - that so much of what uses JavaScript is completely unnecessary and often a haphazard security risk.
anthk 8y ago
>. Good luck looking at a map in a web browser without JS, I don't care. I can use: - Marble - VikingGPS - FoxtrotGPS And so on.
- GhostVII 8y ago
  But the whole point of JavaScript is that, instead of having to install programs, you can run them in the browser. Obviously pretty much every website can be replaced by a desktop application, but that isn't really practical for the vast majority of people, and I don't really see what problem you are solving.
hilbert42 8y ago
> ' I'm sure you'd never sully your computer by visiting a Google website.' Absolutely not, as I have no need to do so as there's so much more on the Web other then Google, Facebook and Amazon. I can't even remember my usernames let alone the passwords. Clearly, what I do is irreverent for everyone else (and no one else would care anyway). My major concern is that those who find themselves having to use Google or Facebook essentially have no other alternatives. In this way Big Tech has has effectively monopolized the Web and I consider that completely unacceptable. So should most other people.

zzzcpan 8y ago

You can argue the same about blocking ads. Yes, not having ads and javascript is very different user experience. Very much not the same internet. But why would you want it any other way, why go back to that ad-riddled annoying slow insecure manipulative web that the vast majority apparently use?

leftyted 8y ago
If you want to write your own OS and run it on the computer that you built from whalebone which you harvested from the bottom of the ocean in a submarine you constructed from graphene, well, gee, that's wonderful. But it has nothing to do with how the proverbial Man On The Internet lives his life and the internet is built for that dude, not you. The fact that people go around on this website boasting about how they "refuse to execute JavaScript on their computers" was funny to me like two years ago but now it's just sad. Is this really the hill you guys want to die on? If so, could you please die quietly and maybe stay in the shade so I don't have to watch? Thanks.

Rapzid 8y ago

Certainly it would seem that most holdovers no longer have objective arguments that would tip most people off JavaScript on the cost/benefit scale. I believe it's worth considering that most of the people left with that viewpoint may have a.. psychological need to keep JavaScript off. Very strong personal preference or otherwise. And that's fine! I get the fatigue though. At this point we are pretty far out from this being a real bottom line issue; not since most businesses even stopped requiring Javascript be disabled. We have finally arrived at the promised land; SNI, Javascript, and greenfield browsers. Rejoice!

Nasrudith 8y ago

That is part of why it pisses people off - that so much of what uses JavaScript is completely unnecessary and often a haphazard security risk.

anthk 8y ago

>. Good luck looking at a map in a web browser without JS, I don't care. I can use: - Marble - VikingGPS - FoxtrotGPS And so on.

GhostVII 8y ago
But the whole point of JavaScript is that, instead of having to install programs, you can run them in the browser. Obviously pretty much every website can be replaced by a desktop application, but that isn't really practical for the vast majority of people, and I don't really see what problem you are solving.

hilbert42 8y ago

> ' I'm sure you'd never sully your computer by visiting a Google website.' Absolutely not, as I have no need to do so as there's so much more on the Web other then Google, Facebook and Amazon. I can't even remember my usernames let alone the passwords. Clearly, what I do is irreverent for everyone else (and no one else would care anyway). My major concern is that those who find themselves having to use Google or Facebook essentially have no other alternatives. In this way Big Tech has has effectively monopolized the Web and I consider that completely unacceptable. So should most other people.