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Even just labelling the days would help. There's room for confusion with unlabelled days even when it's "right", though. The author says "Since when is Feb 2 o

Even just labelling the days would help. There's room for confusion with unlabelled days even when it's "right", though. The author says "Since when is Feb 2 on a Thursday", but I assume that's because he's used to a Sunday->Saturday layout on a calendar, whereas for me I'd assume the 2nd were a Friday based on that position as I'm used to Monday->Sunday calendars. (Update: OK, the days ARE labelled - incorrectly. You have to click on the screenshot on Twitter to see the full screenshot. Keeping this comment here for posterity only ;-))

sturgill 8y ago
The thing is, the screenshot _has_ labeled days. The calendar helpfully labeled February 2 as a Thursday.
- cbhl 8y ago
  That sounds like l10n gone seriously wrong -- maybe they literally wrote something like translation_helper(0) in that header which translates to Monday in $asian language and Sunday in English.
  - andrewmackrodt 8y ago
    The bug looks like it occurs because the date picker aligns days/dates from 2017. February and March both begin on a Wednesday in the screenshot. I don't have iOS to test, but if this is the case, a flight for 1st Jan 2020 will incorrectly be aligned under Sunday instead of Wednesday. Pretty poor bug
- ghaff 8y ago
  Not the screenshot I'm looking at from the link. [ADDED: Ah, you have to click through on the twitter image. Yes, it's just flat-out wrong.]
  - aarondf 8y ago
    Click through
  - petercooper 8y ago
    Neither was I, but turns out sturgill is right. If you click on the image in the tweet it expands to a fuller version that shows the calendar is, indeed, totally screwed :-D
    - romwell 8y ago
      You also fell victim to a broken UI: the one that clips a screenshot and doesn't let you know that there's more to it!
      - dorfsmay 8y ago
        It's worse then that! Keep in mind that I open all links in a new private windows except for few services for which I stay logged in. On twitter, clicking sometime opens a new link, sometime shows the full version of an image. Trying to right clicking all the time doesn't work, because it doesn't do anything when it is a small image that needs to be disaplayed in its full version - because they change the click behaviour via javascript.
  - guitarbill 8y ago
    you need to click it, otherwise it only shows a portion of the screenshot. above "February 2019" there's a menu bar with days on it (which is incorrect).
    - LittlePeter 8y ago
      Wow, that is extremely bad UI from twitter to crop image like that.
      - Semaphor 8y ago
        Twitter is known for horrible UI, so nothing new there.
- Flockster 8y ago
  This, I don't think it's an issue of week-start-conventions.
ghaff 8y ago
That calendar picker seems clearly somewhere between confusing and outright broken. [ADDED: Just broken. Click through and they do have incorrect days labeled.] But there are at least two conventions: Sun->Sat and Sat->Fri (or Mon->Sun); the US tends to be the former and Europe the latter. They should label the days to minimize confusion--I come close enough to messing up reservations as it is--but there isn't really a universal standard for the layout of weeks.
- Jedd 8y ago
  > ... the US tends to be the former and Europe the latter. Australia is the latter, and so is most of Asia, and .. well, it's probably just bits of the USA that likes to have Sunday as the first day of the week. Date pickers in many US-originating software assume this, which is insanely frustrating for those of us not in the USA / not expecting / not wanting this.
  - justinclift 8y ago
    > Australia is the latter, Australian here. I was taught Sun is the first day of the week.
    - Jedd 8y ago
      Where were you educated, may I ask? Do you recall if this was encouraged at school or in the home? (Did you ever wonder why 'weekend' included only one day at the end, along with one day at the start, of a week?) Growing up I never saw a (physical) calendar that had Sunday as the first day. It's only the past ten years or so they seem to crop up more, almost exclusively online. I suspect the relatively recent incidence is from shipped-in American culture of course. Similarly I'm seeing increasing occurrence of "February 5th, 2019" rather than the standard Australian / British format of "5th of February, 2019" (noting these sequences aligns with mm/dd/yy and dd/mm/yy preferences for US and rest-of-world respectively).
      - justinclift 8y ago
romwell 8y ago
>Even just labelling the days would help >I assume that's because he's used to... Perhaps you should actually look at the screenshot instead of assuming? The column February 2nd is in is clearly labeled as Thursday. There's no room for ambiguity there. It's a bug. #stopuserblaming
- ghaff 8y ago
  It is. However, the screenshot they posted on twitter did not show the relevant part of the image unless you clicked through.

sturgill 8y ago

The thing is, the screenshot _has_ labeled days. The calendar helpfully labeled February 2 as a Thursday.

cbhl 8y ago
That sounds like l10n gone seriously wrong -- maybe they literally wrote something like translation_helper(0) in that header which translates to Monday in $asian language and Sunday in English.
- andrewmackrodt 8y ago
  The bug looks like it occurs because the date picker aligns days/dates from 2017. February and March both begin on a Wednesday in the screenshot. I don't have iOS to test, but if this is the case, a flight for 1st Jan 2020 will incorrectly be aligned under Sunday instead of Wednesday. Pretty poor bug
ghaff 8y ago
Not the screenshot I'm looking at from the link. [ADDED: Ah, you have to click through on the twitter image. Yes, it's just flat-out wrong.]
- aarondf 8y ago
  Click through
- petercooper 8y ago
  Neither was I, but turns out sturgill is right. If you click on the image in the tweet it expands to a fuller version that shows the calendar is, indeed, totally screwed :-D
  - romwell 8y ago
    You also fell victim to a broken UI: the one that clips a screenshot and doesn't let you know that there's more to it!
    - dorfsmay 8y ago
      It's worse then that! Keep in mind that I open all links in a new private windows except for few services for which I stay logged in. On twitter, clicking sometime opens a new link, sometime shows the full version of an image. Trying to right clicking all the time doesn't work, because it doesn't do anything when it is a small image that needs to be disaplayed in its full version - because they change the click behaviour via javascript.
- guitarbill 8y ago
  you need to click it, otherwise it only shows a portion of the screenshot. above "February 2019" there's a menu bar with days on it (which is incorrect).
  - LittlePeter 8y ago
    Wow, that is extremely bad UI from twitter to crop image like that.
    - Semaphor 8y ago
      Twitter is known for horrible UI, so nothing new there.
Flockster 8y ago
This, I don't think it's an issue of week-start-conventions.

ghaff 8y ago

That calendar picker seems clearly somewhere between confusing and outright broken. [ADDED: Just broken. Click through and they do have incorrect days labeled.] But there are at least two conventions: Sun->Sat and Sat->Fri (or Mon->Sun); the US tends to be the former and Europe the latter. They should label the days to minimize confusion--I come close enough to messing up reservations as it is--but there isn't really a universal standard for the layout of weeks.

Jedd 8y ago
> ... the US tends to be the former and Europe the latter. Australia is the latter, and so is most of Asia, and .. well, it's probably just bits of the USA that likes to have Sunday as the first day of the week. Date pickers in many US-originating software assume this, which is insanely frustrating for those of us not in the USA / not expecting / not wanting this.
- justinclift 8y ago
  > Australia is the latter, Australian here. I was taught Sun is the first day of the week.
  - Jedd 8y ago
    Where were you educated, may I ask? Do you recall if this was encouraged at school or in the home? (Did you ever wonder why 'weekend' included only one day at the end, along with one day at the start, of a week?) Growing up I never saw a (physical) calendar that had Sunday as the first day. It's only the past ten years or so they seem to crop up more, almost exclusively online. I suspect the relatively recent incidence is from shipped-in American culture of course. Similarly I'm seeing increasing occurrence of "February 5th, 2019" rather than the standard Australian / British format of "5th of February, 2019" (noting these sequences aligns with mm/dd/yy and dd/mm/yy preferences for US and rest-of-world respectively).
    - justinclift 8y ago

romwell 8y ago

>Even just labelling the days would help >I assume that's because he's used to... Perhaps you should actually look at the screenshot instead of assuming? The column February 2nd is in is clearly labeled as Thursday. There's no room for ambiguity there. It's a bug. #stopuserblaming

ghaff 8y ago
It is. However, the screenshot they posted on twitter did not show the relevant part of the image unless you clicked through.