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I've also just started reading 'The Age of Surveillance Capitalism'. Some of my colleagues at work use the term 'digital native' to refer to (young) people who

I've also just started reading 'The Age of Surveillance Capitalism'. Some of my colleagues at work use the term 'digital native' to refer to (young) people who have grown up with ubiquitous computing. Next time someone says that, I should now perhaps say "oh, you mean, the wage slaves of the surveillance capitalists".

whatshisface 8y ago
>oh, you mean, the wage slaves of the surveillance capitalists That phrase is just a series of boo words concatenated together, as in, "wage (booooo) slave (booooo) of the surveillance (I'll give you that one) capitalists (boooo)." It is too woven in with the "capitalists (boooo)" movement to be effective as a rallying point for people that don't want to overturn all of society.
- danharaj 8y ago
  You think "wage" and "capitalist" are boo words? Really?
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    I'm not booing them myself, I'm talking about the (non-universal!) cultural subtext of those words. "Wage" has a negative connotation for being lower status than "salary," and appears in terms like "wagecuck." "Capitalist," is absolutely a boo word around leftists and was actually coined by Marx specifically to name his enemies.
    - KineticLensman 8y ago
      > "Capitalist," ... was actually coined by Marx specifically to name his enemies. Wikipedia [0] disagrees: The Hollandische Mercurius uses "capitalists" in 1633 and 1654 to refer to owners of capital. In French, Étienne Clavier referred to capitalistes in 1788,six years before its first recorded English usage by Arthur Young in his work Travels in France (1792).In his Principles of Political Economy and Taxation (1817), David Ricardo referred to "the capitalist" many times. Samuel Taylor Coleridge, an English poet, used "capitalist" in his work Table Talk (1823). Pierre-Joseph Proudhon used the term "capitalist" in his first work, What is Property? (1840), to refer to the owners of capital. Benjamin Disraeli used the term "capitalist" in his 1845 work Sybil. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

whatshisface 8y ago

>oh, you mean, the wage slaves of the surveillance capitalists That phrase is just a series of boo words concatenated together, as in, "wage (booooo) slave (booooo) of the surveillance (I'll give you that one) capitalists (boooo)." It is too woven in with the "capitalists (boooo)" movement to be effective as a rallying point for people that don't want to overturn all of society.

danharaj 8y ago
You think "wage" and "capitalist" are boo words? Really?
- whatshisface 8y ago
  I'm not booing them myself, I'm talking about the (non-universal!) cultural subtext of those words. "Wage" has a negative connotation for being lower status than "salary," and appears in terms like "wagecuck." "Capitalist," is absolutely a boo word around leftists and was actually coined by Marx specifically to name his enemies.
  - KineticLensman 8y ago
    > "Capitalist," ... was actually coined by Marx specifically to name his enemies. Wikipedia [0] disagrees: The Hollandische Mercurius uses "capitalists" in 1633 and 1654 to refer to owners of capital. In French, Étienne Clavier referred to capitalistes in 1788,six years before its first recorded English usage by Arthur Young in his work Travels in France (1792).In his Principles of Political Economy and Taxation (1817), David Ricardo referred to "the capitalist" many times. Samuel Taylor Coleridge, an English poet, used "capitalist" in his work Table Talk (1823). Pierre-Joseph Proudhon used the term "capitalist" in his first work, What is Property? (1840), to refer to the owners of capital. Benjamin Disraeli used the term "capitalist" in his 1845 work Sybil. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism