There is a related there here - http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=19061 http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=19061 , you can down vote me for this comm

There is a related there here - http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=19061 http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=19061 , you can down vote me for this comment. I thought there was added value in linking the two threads.