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I would love to know in which cultures a teenage son watching soft core porn with their mother is perfectly comfortable or possibly even celebrated.

Juliate 8y ago
That's not the point. The point is about the disconnect of a society that protects/promotes speech/messages/images/behaviour about violence while refusing the same for sex. While one is deadly and the second is not; while one can be a great resource of connection and pleasure, while the other is the exact negation of it.
- mberning 8y ago
  I’m pretty sure that is exactly the point the op was making when they said “Plenty of cultures have much looser taboos around this than yours, its not how human beings are wired.” All I am asking for is an example of such a culture. A mother and teenage son watching some film with nudity and simulated sex and neither of them is uncomfortable at all about it.
  - Juliate 8y ago
    Well... in France, for a start? Or anywhere in Europe? Depending of your circle, you'll have a range of different people about that. But nudity is pretty much inoffensive here, unless you really insist of putting your luggage in the face of people. There are family-friendly naturist places all around the country. Some find them bizarre. Some find them offensive. Some find them fine. Some don't care. And (simulated or not, who cares) sex in a story is pretty much a non-event as well, unless: - it's totally disconnected from the story itself, - it is violent/coercitive.
    - house_atr 8y ago
      And that's a problem with modesty that Europe needs to work on. Not something the rest of the world needs to acquiesce to because the Nato bloc are rich countries and we should all do what they do, often at the implication of "or else".
  - jaegerpicker 8y ago
    How about right here in the USA, I've watched plenty of movies with sex scenes with family members and it was no big deal. Besides that what kind of pansy culture is worth censoring a valid natural healthy part of human life because we are too "uncomfortable" with a real and healthy positive aspect of adult life. I'm not anti-violence in media but I'm certainly against the filtering of expression just so someone else doesn't need to deal with a little uncomfortable feelings. I'm not personally directing that at you as a poster, more the general idea of the censoring based on uncomfortable feelings overriding someone else's right to expression. Sorry if it comes off aggressive I don't mean it in that way towards you.
saagarjha 8y ago
If you consider nudity to be in that category, then many European countries.
- crazygringo 8y ago
  I don't think too many people are confusing general nudity (like the nudist lifestyle, totally non-sexual) or a few topless advertisements with softcore porn. They're completely different things. So no, I don't think Europe counts as an example here.

Juliate 8y ago

That's not the point. The point is about the disconnect of a society that protects/promotes speech/messages/images/behaviour about violence while refusing the same for sex. While one is deadly and the second is not; while one can be a great resource of connection and pleasure, while the other is the exact negation of it.

mberning 8y ago
I’m pretty sure that is exactly the point the op was making when they said “Plenty of cultures have much looser taboos around this than yours, its not how human beings are wired.” All I am asking for is an example of such a culture. A mother and teenage son watching some film with nudity and simulated sex and neither of them is uncomfortable at all about it.
- Juliate 8y ago
  Well... in France, for a start? Or anywhere in Europe? Depending of your circle, you'll have a range of different people about that. But nudity is pretty much inoffensive here, unless you really insist of putting your luggage in the face of people. There are family-friendly naturist places all around the country. Some find them bizarre. Some find them offensive. Some find them fine. Some don't care. And (simulated or not, who cares) sex in a story is pretty much a non-event as well, unless: - it's totally disconnected from the story itself, - it is violent/coercitive.
  - house_atr 8y ago
    And that's a problem with modesty that Europe needs to work on. Not something the rest of the world needs to acquiesce to because the Nato bloc are rich countries and we should all do what they do, often at the implication of "or else".
- jaegerpicker 8y ago
  How about right here in the USA, I've watched plenty of movies with sex scenes with family members and it was no big deal. Besides that what kind of pansy culture is worth censoring a valid natural healthy part of human life because we are too "uncomfortable" with a real and healthy positive aspect of adult life. I'm not anti-violence in media but I'm certainly against the filtering of expression just so someone else doesn't need to deal with a little uncomfortable feelings. I'm not personally directing that at you as a poster, more the general idea of the censoring based on uncomfortable feelings overriding someone else's right to expression. Sorry if it comes off aggressive I don't mean it in that way towards you.

saagarjha 8y ago

If you consider nudity to be in that category, then many European countries.

crazygringo 8y ago
I don't think too many people are confusing general nudity (like the nudist lifestyle, totally non-sexual) or a few topless advertisements with softcore porn. They're completely different things. So no, I don't think Europe counts as an example here.