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"Poorly-designed" seems to be the sort of thing that is incredibly subjective, and often declared with little objective truth. Even this stage light ribbon thin

"Poorly-designed" seems to be the sort of thing that is incredibly subjective, and often declared with little objective truth. Even this stage light ribbon thing -- does anyone have any empirical numbers showing it's an actual problem? An anecdote is not data, and for any large scale manufacturing they generally test it for some huge number of activations/swings/opens/whatever before going with a design. I don't want to be an Apple apologist -- their current laptops, one of which I purchased one week ago well into this stage light fiasco, are grossly overpriced (and AppleCare+ basically seems mandatory, so that was another $400 on my bill) and I wish they were more upgradable, but at the same time as much as we bemoan non-upgradability in practice extraordinarily few ever upgrade anything. At all. They just get their next laptop.

ksec 8y ago
>"Poorly-designed" Poorly designed because there were large number of similar problems and they were not fixed in the 2017 and 2018 iteration. It is not subjective, but objective truth. And it isn't just about the hinge.
- endorphone 8y ago
  Prior errors, even if we accept that, doesn't make every incident evidence of poor design. I'm saying that the evidence of this "flexgate" being a design flaw is incredibly suspect. And it's worth noting that soldered in memory, hard drives, and heavy integration likely improves the long term reliability of those connections, in the same way that a display-connected ribbon cable removes one more point of potential issues (yet another connector interface). Having said that, I absolutely think that Apple should offer a three year manufacturing defects warranty to all purchases, and their one year warranty (geared to push AppleCare+ which is priced primarily to cover the accidental damage coverage) is ridiculous for a high-end piece of hardware.

ksec 8y ago

>"Poorly-designed" Poorly designed because there were large number of similar problems and they were not fixed in the 2017 and 2018 iteration. It is not subjective, but objective truth. And it isn't just about the hinge.

endorphone 8y ago
Prior errors, even if we accept that, doesn't make every incident evidence of poor design. I'm saying that the evidence of this "flexgate" being a design flaw is incredibly suspect. And it's worth noting that soldered in memory, hard drives, and heavy integration likely improves the long term reliability of those connections, in the same way that a display-connected ribbon cable removes one more point of potential issues (yet another connector interface). Having said that, I absolutely think that Apple should offer a three year manufacturing defects warranty to all purchases, and their one year warranty (geared to push AppleCare+ which is priced primarily to cover the accidental damage coverage) is ridiculous for a high-end piece of hardware.