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The idea of “you can find a job immediately after getting a degree or certification” ended a few decades ago. Today, you need some experience, especially in clo

The idea of “you can find a job immediately after getting a degree or certification” ended a few decades ago. Today, you need some experience, especially in cloud computing. Thankfully, in this field there are few barriers of entry, save for having some natural curiosity. All clouds have free tiers, excellent documentation, sample projects, etc. Kubernetes is free and open source. Technologies are interesting. Play and learn, and you’ll get a job.

coldtea 8y ago
Only personal tinkering doesn't count as "experience" in those companies books...
- atemerev 8y ago
  It does count on the interviews. A lot.
- visarga 8y ago
  I think personal projects count a lot at CV filtering stage.
- tomjen3 8y ago
  Create an LLC. Now everything you do is "selling cloud enterprise-solutions" (as all businesses are enterprises and you aren't going to sell to your grandma).
- ldoughty 8y ago
  I tend to hire a lot more people that personally tinker without certifications, than those with certifications that don't have a pet project. Certification proves memorization. Tinkering proves interest. I don't want a candidate that is not interested personally.
dankohn1 8y ago
There's also free training available for Kubernetes on EdX: https://www.cncf.io/certification/training/ https://www.cncf.io/certification/training/
scarface74 8y ago
Knowing Kubernetes will not help you at all with most cloud infrastructure. But they all allow you to set up a free account.
ldoughty 8y ago
Completely agree.. to many applicants I see think having a cert alone makes them gold, but they can't answer a thing about the topic that's not in the certification exam. APPLY the certification in some way that YOU own and you're better than 50% of applicants I see. Many have certs, some claim some knowledge.. but few seem to actually have done anything themselves... They claim cloud CICD knowledge, but it was set up by someone else, and they don't know what a security group (firewall) is.. or they deploy to CloudFront, but don't know where the files are behind that... It's frustrating as a hiring manager spending an hour on these interviews with people who expect that paper to mean something without even 1 week of their own experience to back out up
- nicoburns 8y ago
  As a developer, it's quite frustrating trying to work out how to communicate "No, I actually know how to do X (well)", because presumably the people who don't will say that too! It's fine once I get to interview, because most interviewers can tell when someone's bullshitting (and that I'm not), but CVs are a bit of a nightmare because I have fewer years of commercial experience than a lot of people.
  - ldoughty 8y ago
    I recommend fine tuning resumes for the job requirements, and a cover letter that emphasizes a passion for the language they are looking for (or a desire to learn something you can't claim experience in that is requested). Publicly available samples of work also helps. Mega corps that machine parse applicants are a pain to get into, but you probably don't want to work there anyways :-)
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Don’t blindly submit resumes. I always go through local recruiters who I’ve used over the years. They vouch for me with the hiring manager. I can say in 20 years I’ve never had a recruiter come back to me and say the company wasn’t interested unless they had already filled the role or they had budget issues and closed the req.

coldtea 8y ago

Only personal tinkering doesn't count as "experience" in those companies books...

atemerev 8y ago
It does count on the interviews. A lot.
visarga 8y ago
I think personal projects count a lot at CV filtering stage.
tomjen3 8y ago
Create an LLC. Now everything you do is "selling cloud enterprise-solutions" (as all businesses are enterprises and you aren't going to sell to your grandma).
ldoughty 8y ago
I tend to hire a lot more people that personally tinker without certifications, than those with certifications that don't have a pet project. Certification proves memorization. Tinkering proves interest. I don't want a candidate that is not interested personally.

dankohn1 8y ago

There's also free training available for Kubernetes on EdX: https://www.cncf.io/certification/training/ https://www.cncf.io/certification/training/

scarface74 8y ago

Knowing Kubernetes will not help you at all with most cloud infrastructure. But they all allow you to set up a free account.

ldoughty 8y ago

Completely agree.. to many applicants I see think having a cert alone makes them gold, but they can't answer a thing about the topic that's not in the certification exam. APPLY the certification in some way that YOU own and you're better than 50% of applicants I see. Many have certs, some claim some knowledge.. but few seem to actually have done anything themselves... They claim cloud CICD knowledge, but it was set up by someone else, and they don't know what a security group (firewall) is.. or they deploy to CloudFront, but don't know where the files are behind that... It's frustrating as a hiring manager spending an hour on these interviews with people who expect that paper to mean something without even 1 week of their own experience to back out up

nicoburns 8y ago
As a developer, it's quite frustrating trying to work out how to communicate "No, I actually know how to do X (well)", because presumably the people who don't will say that too! It's fine once I get to interview, because most interviewers can tell when someone's bullshitting (and that I'm not), but CVs are a bit of a nightmare because I have fewer years of commercial experience than a lot of people.
- ldoughty 8y ago
  I recommend fine tuning resumes for the job requirements, and a cover letter that emphasizes a passion for the language they are looking for (or a desire to learn something you can't claim experience in that is requested). Publicly available samples of work also helps. Mega corps that machine parse applicants are a pain to get into, but you probably don't want to work there anyways :-)
- scarface74 8y ago
  Don’t blindly submit resumes. I always go through local recruiters who I’ve used over the years. They vouch for me with the hiring manager. I can say in 20 years I’ve never had a recruiter come back to me and say the company wasn’t interested unless they had already filled the role or they had budget issues and closed the req.