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Wait. These aren't really unrealistic expectations. If you want transformation against a risk appetite of hardly any risk acceptable, you jack up requirements o

by wjnc 8y ago

Wait. These aren't really unrealistic expectations. If you want transformation against a risk appetite of hardly any risk acceptable, you jack up requirements or no go. That sounds business wise to me. In my firm we've had many cloud related problems. The result was higher and higher demands in the direction of our suppliers. Obviously this limits the number of possible suppliers, and makes some suppliers unhappy, but it is proper business in line with the way we want to reach our goals.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago
It becomes unrealistic if those people are in short supply but the companies also try to keep compensation low. If you need a special expert fast, but you don’t expect to pay a lot, then you are being unreasonable. Judging by the claimed urgency and how wisespread the need is becoming, not every company will be able to get an experienced person for this role.
- jt2190 8y ago
  > If you need a special expert fast... A job posting doesn't necessarily mean that they need someone fast, just that they'd like someone, someday, for a certain price. Companies have many important but not urgent goals that can wait for the right people.
  - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
    Sure, but that seems not to be the case with cloud migration and engineering at the moment.
taneq 8y ago
They really are, when every employer insists on 3 years' experience with a 3-year-old product and only 10% of candidates started on day 1. That's how you get 90% of experienced candidates unemployed while 90% of roles remain unfilled.
- hoaw 8y ago
  Especially unless they want to pay for it. Most experienced people already have all the jobs they need. No one else is going to train your employees for you. You don't want to pay the premium? Hire on potential and award those that do well. I don't know how many of my friends in these kinds of roles had their pay stagnate while the company were hiring e.g. consultant. Eventually they leave and things gets even worse for the company when the new project fails, because now they don't have either old or new infrastructure working properly.
  - cannonedhamster 8y ago
    Wait you mean companies should pay for training? That's unpossible. I thought training on high level systems just happened by unemployed people taking free Youtube courses or paying for their own training. Why are we asking so much from companies. It's bad enough we only give them massive tax breaks but now we want them to train people? What's next paying them well for experience? /s
- mancerayder 8y ago
  Yes, AND one more factor no one is mentioning: resume inflation. If people read that they need several years of experience in a product or tech that's only several years old, like Kubernetes for example, then they will start to lie. And since they start to lie, others feel they should lie, too. The moral of the story is: tech management frequently doesn't know what it's doing.
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by wjnc 8y ago

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

It becomes unrealistic if those people are in short supply but the companies also try to keep compensation low. If you need a special expert fast, but you don’t expect to pay a lot, then you are being unreasonable. Judging by the claimed urgency and how wisespread the need is becoming, not every company will be able to get an experienced person for this role.

jt2190 8y ago
> If you need a special expert fast... A job posting doesn't necessarily mean that they need someone fast, just that they'd like someone, someday, for a certain price. Companies have many important but not urgent goals that can wait for the right people.
- mlthoughts2018 8y ago
  Sure, but that seems not to be the case with cloud migration and engineering at the moment.

taneq 8y ago

They really are, when every employer insists on 3 years' experience with a 3-year-old product and only 10% of candidates started on day 1. That's how you get 90% of experienced candidates unemployed while 90% of roles remain unfilled.

hoaw 8y ago
Especially unless they want to pay for it. Most experienced people already have all the jobs they need. No one else is going to train your employees for you. You don't want to pay the premium? Hire on potential and award those that do well. I don't know how many of my friends in these kinds of roles had their pay stagnate while the company were hiring e.g. consultant. Eventually they leave and things gets even worse for the company when the new project fails, because now they don't have either old or new infrastructure working properly.
- cannonedhamster 8y ago
  Wait you mean companies should pay for training? That's unpossible. I thought training on high level systems just happened by unemployed people taking free Youtube courses or paying for their own training. Why are we asking so much from companies. It's bad enough we only give them massive tax breaks but now we want them to train people? What's next paying them well for experience? /s
mancerayder 8y ago
Yes, AND one more factor no one is mentioning: resume inflation. If people read that they need several years of experience in a product or tech that's only several years old, like Kubernetes for example, then they will start to lie. And since they start to lie, others feel they should lie, too. The moral of the story is: tech management frequently doesn't know what it's doing.

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