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18' Canoe from One Sheet of Plywood

185 points by J3L2404 16y ago

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wallflower 16y ago
If you liked that canoe, check out the The Windward Sharpie "Cricket". True skill, craftsmanship. http://www.jimluton.com/boats.php http://www.jimluton.com/boats.php
- sudont 16y ago
  All handmade boats show that type of craftsmanship... this story was more about an interesting artificial constraint to engineer against.
  - wallflower 16y ago
    Thank you, point taken. Speaking of constraints, the concrete canoe competition held by the American Society of Civil Engineers shows that concrete is not really a constraint. Also, it would be interesting to see if you could repurpose Ikea furniture and make a boat. http://content.asce.org/conferences/nccc2011/index.html http://content.asce.org/conferences/nccc2011/index.html http://content.asce.org/conferences/nccc2011/gallery.html http://content.asce.org/conferences/nccc2011/gallery.html Winning team design papers 2000-2010: http://www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/canoe/designpapers/index.htm http://www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/canoe/designpapers/inde...
    - sudont 16y ago
      I grew up in the Madison area, and the UW's canoe team was legendary.
    - phlux 16y ago
      I have always had a fascination with the concrete canoe competitions. Looking at the 1st place PDF for the UNR team, and the admixture they have come up with; I have always wondered if AeroGel would be a suitable additive to the mixture in place of some of the other components. AeroGel would additionally replace the glass aggregates mentioned in the PDF as well. For example, they use polyvinyl fibers to add durability and flexibility to the mixture, as well as some other pre-stressing substance known as Komponent, which I am not familiar with. I have always thought that it would be interesting to add powdered, or fibrous (if it exists) AeroGel to concrete for both insulating purposes (in the non-concrete-canoe use case) and weight reduction (canoe centric). Additionally, once a fairly cheap, abundant source of carbon nanotube fibers could be procured - adding this to the mix as admixture to provide for strength and flexibility would be great. (I don't have access to either materials - so this is all speculative with respect to practicality.)
  - krschultz 16y ago
    It is not that contrived of a constraint. My dad built two rowboats for my brother and I when we were young kids. Each one was built out of a single piece of plywood. Marine grade plywood is expensive, $40 a sheet I think, so the difference between one sheet and two sheets is significant.
- phlux 16y ago
  Yeah, that is nice - but it is not made out of a single piece of plywood, which to me is the best part about this project. I could not, with my current tools/skills build the boat in your link but I could, however, build the plywood boat. Still, anything well made in wood, by hand, has a certain innate beauty that I always appreciate.
hackermom 16y ago
Genial work, that. Now, if only plywood alone would be suited for submerging in water... :)
konad 16y ago
that's fantastic, I'm so going to make one
allenp 16y ago
So I actually built something quite similar (same materials, different plans) about five years back. Great experience and a lot of fun to paddle around in the nearby marshlands. All told I spent just over $100 and the project took about 2 long weekends. I used fiberglass to cover the exterior and the boat is still in great shape today (though sadly underused).
- phlux 16y ago
  How much does it weigh?
  - allenp 16y ago
    I'm not sure, it was easy enough to carry by just myself, so the fiberglass weight wasn't significant. According to this chart: http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/fiberglass-composite-boat-building/3985d1126213824-fiberglass-thickness-chart.jpg http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/fiberglass-comp... The fiberglass weight would be under 3lbs. For the plywood - 3 pounds per square foot per inch of thickness according to APA Plywood Design Specification so = .25 thickness * 8 width * 4 height * 3 lbs = 32/4 * 3 = 8 * 3 = 24lbs plywood weight So I'd say the boat was between 25-30lbs and that feels about right.
    - phlux 16y ago
      That's quite light, considering my cannondale mtn bike is ~25-30 lbs. Still, I'd love to see what additions such as AeroGel powders and carbon nanotube fibers would do to the weight of a rigid boat such as a canoe. I think another design challenge would be a fold-able plastic one ala camping flatware (http://www.orikaso.com/ http://www.orikaso.com/)
yoyar 16y ago
<pedantic> It's an amazing project but that's a kayak, not a canoe. </pedantic>
- watty 16y ago
  I'm just curious, what characteristics of this boat make it a kayak and not a canoe? He seems to call it both and some of the indigenous "canoes" look very similar.
  - yoyar 16y ago
    <canadian-pedantic>A kayak is longer and thinner and lower to the water and is often covered. A kayak is typically paddled using a double ended paddle. In Canada, the boat in the article is a kayak; I don't think anyone here would call that a canoe. A canoe is deeper, wider and fatter (like some Canadians perhaps ;). A canoe can transport a lot of cargo but is also light enough to carry across portages. Many years ago native people and fur traders could travel entirely across Canada in a canoe. Some people still attempt this feat. In other parts of the world the boat in the article might be considered a canoe, but I would say not in Canada. </canadian-pedantic>
    - studer 16y ago
      "A canoe is deeper, wider and fatter (like some Canadians perhaps ;)" Not sure about Finland (where the article's author lives), but a wide, fat open canoe is actually called "a Canadian" in many parts of northern Europe. The concept of an "open kayak" sounds pretty confused, though, given how they were originally built (skins wrapped around a thin wooden frame) and used (coastal sea regions, including the open sea).
- Retric 16y ago
  <more pedantic> In some parts of the world, such as the United Kingdom, kayaks are considered a subtype of canoes. Continental European and British canoeing clubs and associations of the 19th Century used craft similar to kayaks, but referred to them as canoes. This explains the naming of the International and National Governing bodies of the sport of Canoeing.</more pedantic>

185 points by J3L2404 16y ago

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If you liked that canoe, check out the The Windward Sharpie "Cricket". True skill, craftsmanship. http://www.jimluton.com/boats.php http://www.jimluton.com/boats.php

sudont 16y ago
All handmade boats show that type of craftsmanship... this story was more about an interesting artificial constraint to engineer against.
- wallflower 16y ago
  Thank you, point taken. Speaking of constraints, the concrete canoe competition held by the American Society of Civil Engineers shows that concrete is not really a constraint. Also, it would be interesting to see if you could repurpose Ikea furniture and make a boat. http://content.asce.org/conferences/nccc2011/index.html http://content.asce.org/conferences/nccc2011/index.html http://content.asce.org/conferences/nccc2011/gallery.html http://content.asce.org/conferences/nccc2011/gallery.html Winning team design papers 2000-2010: http://www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/canoe/designpapers/index.htm http://www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/canoe/designpapers/inde...
  - sudont 16y ago
    I grew up in the Madison area, and the UW's canoe team was legendary.
  - phlux 16y ago
    I have always had a fascination with the concrete canoe competitions. Looking at the 1st place PDF for the UNR team, and the admixture they have come up with; I have always wondered if AeroGel would be a suitable additive to the mixture in place of some of the other components. AeroGel would additionally replace the glass aggregates mentioned in the PDF as well. For example, they use polyvinyl fibers to add durability and flexibility to the mixture, as well as some other pre-stressing substance known as Komponent, which I am not familiar with. I have always thought that it would be interesting to add powdered, or fibrous (if it exists) AeroGel to concrete for both insulating purposes (in the non-concrete-canoe use case) and weight reduction (canoe centric). Additionally, once a fairly cheap, abundant source of carbon nanotube fibers could be procured - adding this to the mix as admixture to provide for strength and flexibility would be great. (I don't have access to either materials - so this is all speculative with respect to practicality.)
- krschultz 16y ago
  It is not that contrived of a constraint. My dad built two rowboats for my brother and I when we were young kids. Each one was built out of a single piece of plywood. Marine grade plywood is expensive, $40 a sheet I think, so the difference between one sheet and two sheets is significant.
phlux 16y ago
Yeah, that is nice - but it is not made out of a single piece of plywood, which to me is the best part about this project. I could not, with my current tools/skills build the boat in your link but I could, however, build the plywood boat. Still, anything well made in wood, by hand, has a certain innate beauty that I always appreciate.

hackermom 16y ago

Genial work, that. Now, if only plywood alone would be suited for submerging in water... :)

konad 16y ago

that's fantastic, I'm so going to make one

allenp 16y ago

So I actually built something quite similar (same materials, different plans) about five years back. Great experience and a lot of fun to paddle around in the nearby marshlands. All told I spent just over $100 and the project took about 2 long weekends. I used fiberglass to cover the exterior and the boat is still in great shape today (though sadly underused).

phlux 16y ago
How much does it weigh?
- allenp 16y ago
  I'm not sure, it was easy enough to carry by just myself, so the fiberglass weight wasn't significant. According to this chart: http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/fiberglass-composite-boat-building/3985d1126213824-fiberglass-thickness-chart.jpg http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/fiberglass-comp... The fiberglass weight would be under 3lbs. For the plywood - 3 pounds per square foot per inch of thickness according to APA Plywood Design Specification so = .25 thickness * 8 width * 4 height * 3 lbs = 32/4 * 3 = 8 * 3 = 24lbs plywood weight So I'd say the boat was between 25-30lbs and that feels about right.
  - phlux 16y ago
    That's quite light, considering my cannondale mtn bike is ~25-30 lbs. Still, I'd love to see what additions such as AeroGel powders and carbon nanotube fibers would do to the weight of a rigid boat such as a canoe. I think another design challenge would be a fold-able plastic one ala camping flatware (http://www.orikaso.com/ http://www.orikaso.com/)

yoyar 16y ago

<pedantic> It's an amazing project but that's a kayak, not a canoe. </pedantic>

watty 16y ago
I'm just curious, what characteristics of this boat make it a kayak and not a canoe? He seems to call it both and some of the indigenous "canoes" look very similar.
- yoyar 16y ago
  <canadian-pedantic>A kayak is longer and thinner and lower to the water and is often covered. A kayak is typically paddled using a double ended paddle. In Canada, the boat in the article is a kayak; I don't think anyone here would call that a canoe. A canoe is deeper, wider and fatter (like some Canadians perhaps ;). A canoe can transport a lot of cargo but is also light enough to carry across portages. Many years ago native people and fur traders could travel entirely across Canada in a canoe. Some people still attempt this feat. In other parts of the world the boat in the article might be considered a canoe, but I would say not in Canada. </canadian-pedantic>
  - studer 16y ago
    "A canoe is deeper, wider and fatter (like some Canadians perhaps ;)" Not sure about Finland (where the article's author lives), but a wide, fat open canoe is actually called "a Canadian" in many parts of northern Europe. The concept of an "open kayak" sounds pretty confused, though, given how they were originally built (skins wrapped around a thin wooden frame) and used (coastal sea regions, including the open sea).
Retric 16y ago
<more pedantic> In some parts of the world, such as the United Kingdom, kayaks are considered a subtype of canoes. Continental European and British canoeing clubs and associations of the 19th Century used craft similar to kayaks, but referred to them as canoes. This explains the naming of the International and National Governing bodies of the sport of Canoeing.</more pedantic>