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Whats the point of this article? Tumblr is supposed to be monetized. You can't monetize porn content, so tumblr has 'no pron' policy now. Sorry, this is how th

Whats the point of this article? Tumblr is supposed to be monetized. You can't monetize porn content, so tumblr has 'no pron' policy now. Sorry, this is how the world works. Boo. Meanwhile, any kind of porn is plentiful if you go to the different url. Enter any keyword and have porn catered to your interest, in a good quality, abundant. Seriously, this was unimaginable 15 years ago, and yet author claims that someone "killed the internet we love". Come on. Maybe the right claim would be "For some unknown reason, VC does not fund unprofitable sites we love anymore".

Mirioron 8y ago
The problem is that it's not just the sites that don't get funding, but it's hosting providers and pretty much the entire chain of services that you use that won't do business with you if there's sexual content involved.
- nopriorarrests 8y ago
  Isn't it how the real world works? Have you ever seen BMW or P&G ad in a hardcore porn magazine you have recenty bought? Internet is only different bc VC bucks were willing to tolerate porn for some time, like in tumblr case. Time is up, so everyone has to play by society rules now.
  - Mirioron 8y ago
    The problem isn't the BMW ad. It's more about BMW refusing to sell me a car because I'm open about porn.
    - nopriorarrests 8y ago
      well, then it's not "Sex censorship killed the internet we love", it's "fcsk! world does not work the way I want". go to BMW marketing dept and pitch them the value of being advertised next to mature lady sucking two huge young cocks. maybe they really miss this opportunity and it will make them millions? I dont know.
      - monadgonad 8y ago
        Are you just going to keep talking about advertising? Because it's not about advertising.
        nopriorarrests 8y ago
        nah. as long as advertising stays the most popular way for site owners to pay the costs -- this is about advertising, sorry. once patreons or subscriptions will become bigger -- we will talk. but as of now, it's about advertising.
      - Chinjut 8y ago
        What a facile response. EVERY complaint is "Fuck! The world does not work the way I want". That is the nature of complaint. It doesn't mean it's pointless to ever complain. One can reasonably desire and agitate for the world to work differently than it does.
        nopriorarrests 8y ago
        >One can reasonably desire and agitate for the world to work differently than it does. yeah, tumblr allowing porn again will make all the difference in the world. lol
jacobwilliamroy 8y ago
I don't understand why the corporate monoliths refuse to slap their ads on porno. Porno has got to be the most popular kind of content on the internet. Why cant my porno be brought to me in part by pepsi cola?
- nopriorarrests 8y ago
  Good question. I think (dont quote me) that porn ads could be seen as "lowest common denominator", aka "cheapest product on market", and, generally speaking, nobody in marketing department wants to be associated with such label. We may argue that this is wrong and being advertised next to porn content does not carry such stigma, but this is how the world works, at least for now. If some brand will start with porn advertising, their competitors will instantly postition themselves as "premium", "top class", etc, having nothing in common with porn.
  - jacobwilliamroy 8y ago
    Are you thinking that if a porn-averse brand starts advertising on porno, then that brand could become associated with qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising? The nice thing about lookin at porn on tumblr was that there were no shady spam ads (nothing as shady as ad-supported porn sites). I'm sure if the porn-phobic brands continued to pull their ads the shady click farmers would have moved in to fill the vacuum. Perhaps tumblr would never need shady spam ads if more legitimate businesses would run ads on porn. Just thinking out loud here. Not a doctor or anything.
    - nopriorarrests 8y ago
      > qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising? do they? you can go to pornhub or xvideos and get all the porn you want, and ads will only ask you to subscribe to "full videos" (which are probably full, but I have never subscribed). Nothing shady about them, no spyware or phishery. I have no tumblr experience, but I dont expect tumblr porn ads being different from pornhub porn ads.
halfjoking 8y ago
That's the real story here - payment processors and the US gov are policing morality by making it impossible to run a for-profit NSFW business: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/payment-processors-are-still-policing-your-sex-life https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/payment-processors-are... Tumblr and similar sites are just a casualty of monopolistic payment processors doing the bidding of the government. IMO - as long as what you're doing is legal you should be able to make money for it. Anything less is censorship.
- nopriorarrests 8y ago
  oh come on. tumbler is aiming for sweet sweet sweet branding advertising dollars, which has nothing to do with payment processors. they are looking for a hefty 1-10-100M transaction from BMW, P&G or Unilever. payment processors are not in this business at all.
  - halfjoking 8y ago
    Tons of advertisers pay them (large and small). How is that not using a payment processor to process advertiser payments? It's true that there might be other reasons though... like SESTA/FOSTA scaring them enough that they self-censor. Whatever the reasons are the climate for making a NSFW business are terrible... you're way better off making a marijauna startup these days.
  - ndnxhs 8y ago
    Most payment processors ban selling adult content and the ones that don't explicitly ban it will often kick you off. A developer posted about it a little bit ago (since deleted). People pay for porn subs and then their wives see it on the bank account so the one who paid makes up a story about how they must have been hacked and calls the bank to report the transaction. All these reports end up with the websites account getting shut down. Its also an issue with selling marijuana in the places where its legal. In the modern world, visa and MasterCard have the final word on what businesses can exist.
  - romwell 8y ago
    >oh come on. tumbler is aiming for sweet sweet sweet branding advertising dollars Right, because with all the data collected about users, and all the data mined from all the pages, in the year 2019 it's still impossible to tell that a particular blog is NSFW to avoid showing an shampoo ad on it. What is targeting for 5000.
kome 8y ago
Tumblr exists since February 2007; they lived, grew and prospered with erotica (and much more!) for 10 years. Let's stop telling ourselves that you can monetize with erotica. It's just American Puritanism, and yes, it's breaking the internet.
- nopriorarrests 8y ago
  >they lived, grew and prospered with erotica (and much more!) for 10 years. Were they profitable during this period or were they sucking the VC tit all the time?
  - gscott 8y ago
    If the milk tastes good... drink it.
- oaththrowaway 8y ago
  They were (and are currently) loosing ~Yahoo~... ~Oath~... Verizon Media money hand over fist.
xkcd-sucks 8y ago
It sounds like the Illuminati social engineers need to start turning sex into a public matter, in order to capture this immense value. Imagine-- The Internet has made boatloads of money, but 95 percent is un(der)monetized porn. That would assure economic growth until the end of the practically significant future.
lazyjones 8y ago
Last time I checked, this wasn‘t even primarily about ad money. Apple had kicked Tumblr‘s app out of the App Store (apparently because of actual child pornography and not just „adult content“), so Tumbler got into some real trouble and had broader reputation issues than just with advertisers.
- nopriorarrests 8y ago
  >Last time I checked, this wasn‘t even primarily about ad money. from what I know, tumlbr was acquired by yahoo, and yahoo was acquired by verizon, so now verizon tries to make some money on tumblr. sooo it is about ad money. and of course having child pron is bad for your business.
erdo 8y ago
I think you should read the article, it's not complaining about the lack of commercial porn
- nopriorarrests 8y ago
  yeah, right. I was online since 1999, which is probably year when article author was born. I've seen internet changing at least 4 times. I do remember using napster, for example. So, some 20 year old is unhappy that tumblr she liked is no more? Cry me a river.
  - jackvalentine 8y ago
    I'd like to address your attempt to de-legitimize the author based on your assumption she was "probably" born in 1999. Firstly, a twenty year old's voice is just as valid as yours. It may be presented from a place of less experience, or it may even be even more experienced than you. Secondly, your assumption is incorrect and the author has been a published writer since at least 1998.
faissaloo 8y ago
Actually pornography wasn't banned on Tumblr because of monetisation issues directly, what happened is Apple became aware of the child pornography epidemic on there and removed them from the app store, so in order to fix this they had to implement a general pornography filter because it was simply easier.

Mirioron 8y ago

The problem is that it's not just the sites that don't get funding, but it's hosting providers and pretty much the entire chain of services that you use that won't do business with you if there's sexual content involved.

nopriorarrests 8y ago
Isn't it how the real world works? Have you ever seen BMW or P&G ad in a hardcore porn magazine you have recenty bought? Internet is only different bc VC bucks were willing to tolerate porn for some time, like in tumblr case. Time is up, so everyone has to play by society rules now.
- Mirioron 8y ago
  The problem isn't the BMW ad. It's more about BMW refusing to sell me a car because I'm open about porn.
  - nopriorarrests 8y ago
    well, then it's not "Sex censorship killed the internet we love", it's "fcsk! world does not work the way I want". go to BMW marketing dept and pitch them the value of being advertised next to mature lady sucking two huge young cocks. maybe they really miss this opportunity and it will make them millions? I dont know.
    - monadgonad 8y ago
      Are you just going to keep talking about advertising? Because it's not about advertising.
      - nopriorarrests 8y ago
        nah. as long as advertising stays the most popular way for site owners to pay the costs -- this is about advertising, sorry. once patreons or subscriptions will become bigger -- we will talk. but as of now, it's about advertising.
    - Chinjut 8y ago
      What a facile response. EVERY complaint is "Fuck! The world does not work the way I want". That is the nature of complaint. It doesn't mean it's pointless to ever complain. One can reasonably desire and agitate for the world to work differently than it does.
      - nopriorarrests 8y ago
        >One can reasonably desire and agitate for the world to work differently than it does. yeah, tumblr allowing porn again will make all the difference in the world. lol

jacobwilliamroy 8y ago

I don't understand why the corporate monoliths refuse to slap their ads on porno. Porno has got to be the most popular kind of content on the internet. Why cant my porno be brought to me in part by pepsi cola?

nopriorarrests 8y ago
Good question. I think (dont quote me) that porn ads could be seen as "lowest common denominator", aka "cheapest product on market", and, generally speaking, nobody in marketing department wants to be associated with such label. We may argue that this is wrong and being advertised next to porn content does not carry such stigma, but this is how the world works, at least for now. If some brand will start with porn advertising, their competitors will instantly postition themselves as "premium", "top class", etc, having nothing in common with porn.
- jacobwilliamroy 8y ago
  Are you thinking that if a porn-averse brand starts advertising on porno, then that brand could become associated with qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising? The nice thing about lookin at porn on tumblr was that there were no shady spam ads (nothing as shady as ad-supported porn sites). I'm sure if the porn-phobic brands continued to pull their ads the shady click farmers would have moved in to fill the vacuum. Perhaps tumblr would never need shady spam ads if more legitimate businesses would run ads on porn. Just thinking out loud here. Not a doctor or anything.
  - nopriorarrests 8y ago
    > qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising? do they? you can go to pornhub or xvideos and get all the porn you want, and ads will only ask you to subscribe to "full videos" (which are probably full, but I have never subscribed). Nothing shady about them, no spyware or phishery. I have no tumblr experience, but I dont expect tumblr porn ads being different from pornhub porn ads.

halfjoking 8y ago

That's the real story here - payment processors and the US gov are policing morality by making it impossible to run a for-profit NSFW business: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/payment-processors-are-still-policing-your-sex-life https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/payment-processors-are... Tumblr and similar sites are just a casualty of monopolistic payment processors doing the bidding of the government. IMO - as long as what you're doing is legal you should be able to make money for it. Anything less is censorship.

nopriorarrests 8y ago
oh come on. tumbler is aiming for sweet sweet sweet branding advertising dollars, which has nothing to do with payment processors. they are looking for a hefty 1-10-100M transaction from BMW, P&G or Unilever. payment processors are not in this business at all.
- halfjoking 8y ago
  Tons of advertisers pay them (large and small). How is that not using a payment processor to process advertiser payments? It's true that there might be other reasons though... like SESTA/FOSTA scaring them enough that they self-censor. Whatever the reasons are the climate for making a NSFW business are terrible... you're way better off making a marijauna startup these days.
- ndnxhs 8y ago
  Most payment processors ban selling adult content and the ones that don't explicitly ban it will often kick you off. A developer posted about it a little bit ago (since deleted). People pay for porn subs and then their wives see it on the bank account so the one who paid makes up a story about how they must have been hacked and calls the bank to report the transaction. All these reports end up with the websites account getting shut down. Its also an issue with selling marijuana in the places where its legal. In the modern world, visa and MasterCard have the final word on what businesses can exist.
- romwell 8y ago
  >oh come on. tumbler is aiming for sweet sweet sweet branding advertising dollars Right, because with all the data collected about users, and all the data mined from all the pages, in the year 2019 it's still impossible to tell that a particular blog is NSFW to avoid showing an shampoo ad on it. What is targeting for 5000.

kome 8y ago

Tumblr exists since February 2007; they lived, grew and prospered with erotica (and much more!) for 10 years. Let's stop telling ourselves that you can monetize with erotica. It's just American Puritanism, and yes, it's breaking the internet.

nopriorarrests 8y ago
>they lived, grew and prospered with erotica (and much more!) for 10 years. Were they profitable during this period or were they sucking the VC tit all the time?
- gscott 8y ago
  If the milk tastes good... drink it.
oaththrowaway 8y ago
They were (and are currently) loosing ~Yahoo~... ~Oath~... Verizon Media money hand over fist.

xkcd-sucks 8y ago

It sounds like the Illuminati social engineers need to start turning sex into a public matter, in order to capture this immense value. Imagine-- The Internet has made boatloads of money, but 95 percent is un(der)monetized porn. That would assure economic growth until the end of the practically significant future.

lazyjones 8y ago

Last time I checked, this wasn‘t even primarily about ad money. Apple had kicked Tumblr‘s app out of the App Store (apparently because of actual child pornography and not just „adult content“), so Tumbler got into some real trouble and had broader reputation issues than just with advertisers.

nopriorarrests 8y ago
>Last time I checked, this wasn‘t even primarily about ad money. from what I know, tumlbr was acquired by yahoo, and yahoo was acquired by verizon, so now verizon tries to make some money on tumblr. sooo it is about ad money. and of course having child pron is bad for your business.

erdo 8y ago

I think you should read the article, it's not complaining about the lack of commercial porn

nopriorarrests 8y ago
yeah, right. I was online since 1999, which is probably year when article author was born. I've seen internet changing at least 4 times. I do remember using napster, for example. So, some 20 year old is unhappy that tumblr she liked is no more? Cry me a river.
- jackvalentine 8y ago
  I'd like to address your attempt to de-legitimize the author based on your assumption she was "probably" born in 1999. Firstly, a twenty year old's voice is just as valid as yours. It may be presented from a place of less experience, or it may even be even more experienced than you. Secondly, your assumption is incorrect and the author has been a published writer since at least 1998.

faissaloo 8y ago

Actually pornography wasn't banned on Tumblr because of monetisation issues directly, what happened is Apple became aware of the child pornography epidemic on there and removed them from the app store, so in order to fix this they had to implement a general pornography filter because it was simply easier.