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I mean I get it, it's popular to hate on apple because it makes money on youtube with the tech crowd. But what is most of the market facing? Most of the market

I mean I get it, it's popular to hate on apple because it makes money on youtube with the tech crowd. But what is most of the market facing? Most of the market isn't upgrading ram. They aren't upgrading SSDs or batteries. They want their apple care to do it for them. I mean how many of these threads that self-select people with problems with their macs do we need? What are the real numbers? It's not like Apple has a monopoly on laptops. There are plenty of other options. The competition is there. Yet Macbooks seem to be doing quite alright?

Ma8ee 8y ago
They have a monopoly on laptops that run MacOS (without a lot of hassle).
- sjwright 8y ago
  Microsoft has a monopoly on game consoles that run Xbox games. Cisco has a monopoly on networking gear that runs IOS. LG has a monopoly on TVs that run WebOS. The world is full of devices that are not open platforms for alternative operating systems. And the world is full of operating systems that are not open to commodity hardware. If you don't like Apple's choice in focusing on their particular solution which involves intimate software-hardware integration, the answer is to buy from a competitor that focuses on commodity products. Personally I'm pleased that Apple is making their operating system the way they do. If Apple changed to suit your priorities, that would come at the expense of my priorities.
  - askafriend 8y ago
    This is exactly the position I take. I love Macbook Pros and I'll buy nothing else as far as laptops go. The integration of MacOS, the hardware, and the rest of the Apple ecosystem is hard to beat in many ways. I can afford them, they're extremely reliable, high quality and most of the issues people complain about are overblown (I don't mind the Touch Bar at all, and the keyboard is just fine - you get used to it).
  - Ma8ee 8y ago
    I'm actually not against the way Apple is making their operating system. My point is just that it's not so simple to buy an equivalent product from a different manufacturer.
Illniyar 8y ago
It's not about upgrading, it's about repairing when it gets broken. Which no matter how well made SSD, batteries or memory is, it will in a few years (at least on average). If it's soldered on instead of simply connected, that means repairing it requires much more skill, and can easily result in damage to other parts. What it means really is that fixing a broken macbook costs way more then it should if they just used a normal connector. In the case of this specific example, the fact that the display cables are part of display itself means that "a 5$ repair by replacing a cable turns into a 500$ replacement of the display". Which basically equates to a 500$ yearly subscription on a 2000$ machine.
- ntsplnkv2 8y ago
  > it will in a few years (at least on average). Ok, this is what I'm looking for. What statistics back this up in any way? I have a 2010 macbook pro that is still kicking quite well. No issues at all. I'm sure you have some anecdote about some Dell too. But you say on average, in a few years, all laptops will break. Where is the evidence for this?

Ma8ee 8y ago

They have a monopoly on laptops that run MacOS (without a lot of hassle).

sjwright 8y ago
Microsoft has a monopoly on game consoles that run Xbox games. Cisco has a monopoly on networking gear that runs IOS. LG has a monopoly on TVs that run WebOS. The world is full of devices that are not open platforms for alternative operating systems. And the world is full of operating systems that are not open to commodity hardware. If you don't like Apple's choice in focusing on their particular solution which involves intimate software-hardware integration, the answer is to buy from a competitor that focuses on commodity products. Personally I'm pleased that Apple is making their operating system the way they do. If Apple changed to suit your priorities, that would come at the expense of my priorities.
- askafriend 8y ago
  This is exactly the position I take. I love Macbook Pros and I'll buy nothing else as far as laptops go. The integration of MacOS, the hardware, and the rest of the Apple ecosystem is hard to beat in many ways. I can afford them, they're extremely reliable, high quality and most of the issues people complain about are overblown (I don't mind the Touch Bar at all, and the keyboard is just fine - you get used to it).
- Ma8ee 8y ago
  I'm actually not against the way Apple is making their operating system. My point is just that it's not so simple to buy an equivalent product from a different manufacturer.

Illniyar 8y ago

It's not about upgrading, it's about repairing when it gets broken. Which no matter how well made SSD, batteries or memory is, it will in a few years (at least on average). If it's soldered on instead of simply connected, that means repairing it requires much more skill, and can easily result in damage to other parts. What it means really is that fixing a broken macbook costs way more then it should if they just used a normal connector. In the case of this specific example, the fact that the display cables are part of display itself means that "a 5$ repair by replacing a cable turns into a 500$ replacement of the display". Which basically equates to a 500$ yearly subscription on a 2000$ machine.

ntsplnkv2 8y ago
> it will in a few years (at least on average). Ok, this is what I'm looking for. What statistics back this up in any way? I have a 2010 macbook pro that is still kicking quite well. No issues at all. I'm sure you have some anecdote about some Dell too. But you say on average, in a few years, all laptops will break. Where is the evidence for this?