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Because nothing could happen to your rack (or garage)?

by bdibs 8y ago

mrmondo 8y ago
I can’t say for sure, but I’m assuming they meant because it is (in comparison) not a distributed (or complex) system.
m0zg 8y ago
Bad things can happen to it, but at least nobody futzes with it all the time. Most of e.g. Google's major outages (Cloud and Borg) are configuration error or human error. I run my own systems very conservatively. I use conservative technology choices, my kernels are years behind bleeding edge (although I do install security updates, of course), and I don't try to fix or "improve" what's not broken because my paycheck does not depend on that. And in the unlikely event something does get fucked up, I can fix it within less than an hour and I'm the only one affected. It's also extremely unlikely to have any kind of "global" outage. Don't get me wrong, I use cloud (GCP, if you must know) too, and if my business grew massively, I'd probably use it more. But frankly I'm more satisfied with my own "on prem" solution. Single rack which basically pays for itself every 3 months or so in cloud costs, what's not to like?
- joncrane 8y ago
  What if you're on vacation when something happens, such as a power outage? What about a massive event like an earthquake/flood/wind storm/fire/etc?
  - m0zg 8y ago
    Far less likely events than an SRE pushing a bad config.
- jds375 8y ago
  I totally understand what you’re saying, but at what point does it become “putting money under your mattress” versus using a bank? Yes a major outage that’s no fault of my own could take down my site - and that isn’t great. On the other hand, wouldn’t you trust them more than yourself? Just like you trust a bank more than yourself to keep your money safe? I’m sure the average major cloud service has far better uptime than the average on prem solution. At what point does it become hubris to spin up your own on prem solution?
  - m0zg 8y ago
    >> wouldn’t you trust them more than yourself Nope. >> versus using a bank If my bank charged 25% of my balance every month, I'd very quickly choose the mattress. :-) But I do recognize that my needs are pretty uncommon.

Because nothing could happen to your rack (or garage)?

by bdibs 8y ago

Because nothing could happen to your rack (or garage)?

mrmondo 8y ago

I can’t say for sure, but I’m assuming they meant because it is (in comparison) not a distributed (or complex) system.

m0zg 8y ago

Bad things can happen to it, but at least nobody futzes with it all the time. Most of e.g. Google's major outages (Cloud and Borg) are configuration error or human error. I run my own systems very conservatively. I use conservative technology choices, my kernels are years behind bleeding edge (although I do install security updates, of course), and I don't try to fix or "improve" what's not broken because my paycheck does not depend on that. And in the unlikely event something does get fucked up, I can fix it within less than an hour and I'm the only one affected. It's also extremely unlikely to have any kind of "global" outage. Don't get me wrong, I use cloud (GCP, if you must know) too, and if my business grew massively, I'd probably use it more. But frankly I'm more satisfied with my own "on prem" solution. Single rack which basically pays for itself every 3 months or so in cloud costs, what's not to like?

joncrane 8y ago
What if you're on vacation when something happens, such as a power outage? What about a massive event like an earthquake/flood/wind storm/fire/etc?
- m0zg 8y ago
  Far less likely events than an SRE pushing a bad config.
jds375 8y ago
I totally understand what you’re saying, but at what point does it become “putting money under your mattress” versus using a bank? Yes a major outage that’s no fault of my own could take down my site - and that isn’t great. On the other hand, wouldn’t you trust them more than yourself? Just like you trust a bank more than yourself to keep your money safe? I’m sure the average major cloud service has far better uptime than the average on prem solution. At what point does it become hubris to spin up your own on prem solution?
- m0zg 8y ago
  >> wouldn’t you trust them more than yourself Nope. >> versus using a bank If my bank charged 25% of my balance every month, I'd very quickly choose the mattress. :-) But I do recognize that my needs are pretty uncommon.