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Indeed. Not that I plan on being involved in any such crimes (necessary disclaimer?) but a family member of mine submitted their DNA to one of these services. N

Indeed. Not that I plan on being involved in any such crimes (necessary disclaimer?) but a family member of mine submitted their DNA to one of these services. Now it's irrelevant whether I submit mine or not because it's as good as in there anyway. Feels real good having your rights signed away by someone else...

lotsofpulp 8y ago
What rights? Surely if you have rights to your DNA, then your family member has rights to their DNA. It’s just an unfortunate consequence of how DNA works.
- andrei_says_ 8y ago
  No, it’s an unfortunate consequence of how the dna test provider treats everyone’s data. It’s incredibly empowering for abuse and completely disrespectful to the individual. The assymetry is staggering.
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  - AuthorizedCust 8y ago
    What if a court compels the analysis or data sharing?
    - drharby 8y ago
      That migrates the issue from business ethics and consumer rights to that of legality.
    - andrei_says_ 8y ago
      The fbi has is own database. Of course having everyone’s dna will help them solve a few (one?) more crimes. At what cost?
- jhayward 8y ago
  It is probably wrong to think of DNA as personal property. Its public use more closely resembles a commons which is shared by many. We don't give individuals the right to pollute air, for instance, simply because they own property that has air on it. Likewise we should develop principles for information which when combined with other information can be used to transgress against 3rd parties' enjoyment of their own privacy.
  - jackhack 8y ago
    >It is probably wrong to think of DNA as personal property. Are you kidding? Is there anything else more personal than THE VERY THING THAT DEFINES WHAT YOU ARE AS A PHYSICAL BEING to a level of detail that science may never fully understand it? Other than one's own thoughts, I, personally, cannot think of something more personal. Conflating this with air pollution is simply nonsensical.
    - interestica 8y ago
      Is there anything quite as shared as DNA? You share 99.xxx percent with everyone else. You share a significant portion with other species. Other living things.
      - interestica 8y ago
        Also, we can't conflate DNA and one's specific DNA sequence. It's like the majority of the code is GPL.
      - pvaldes 8y ago
        > Is there anything quite as shared as DNA? Music for example. The same poool of musical notes in 100% of compositions. Just arranged in different ways, like DNA
        ekianjo 8y ago
        Completely wrong analogy. Most genes sequences are completely identical between humans. The differences in genes for specific traits are marginal, percentage wise.

lotsofpulp 8y ago

What rights? Surely if you have rights to your DNA, then your family member has rights to their DNA. It’s just an unfortunate consequence of how DNA works.

andrei_says_ 8y ago
No, it’s an unfortunate consequence of how the dna test provider treats everyone’s data. It’s incredibly empowering for abuse and completely disrespectful to the individual. The assymetry is staggering.
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- AuthorizedCust 8y ago
  What if a court compels the analysis or data sharing?
  - drharby 8y ago
    That migrates the issue from business ethics and consumer rights to that of legality.
  - andrei_says_ 8y ago
    The fbi has is own database. Of course having everyone’s dna will help them solve a few (one?) more crimes. At what cost?
jhayward 8y ago
It is probably wrong to think of DNA as personal property. Its public use more closely resembles a commons which is shared by many. We don't give individuals the right to pollute air, for instance, simply because they own property that has air on it. Likewise we should develop principles for information which when combined with other information can be used to transgress against 3rd parties' enjoyment of their own privacy.
- jackhack 8y ago
  >It is probably wrong to think of DNA as personal property. Are you kidding? Is there anything else more personal than THE VERY THING THAT DEFINES WHAT YOU ARE AS A PHYSICAL BEING to a level of detail that science may never fully understand it? Other than one's own thoughts, I, personally, cannot think of something more personal. Conflating this with air pollution is simply nonsensical.
  - interestica 8y ago
    Is there anything quite as shared as DNA? You share 99.xxx percent with everyone else. You share a significant portion with other species. Other living things.
    - interestica 8y ago
      Also, we can't conflate DNA and one's specific DNA sequence. It's like the majority of the code is GPL.
    - pvaldes 8y ago
      > Is there anything quite as shared as DNA? Music for example. The same poool of musical notes in 100% of compositions. Just arranged in different ways, like DNA
      - ekianjo 8y ago
        Completely wrong analogy. Most genes sequences are completely identical between humans. The differences in genes for specific traits are marginal, percentage wise.