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There are other large software companies with competing cloud offerings, including Oracle[1], IBM[2], Alibaba[3] and more. [1] https://cloud.oracle.com/home ht

There are other large software companies with competing cloud offerings, including Oracle[1], IBM[2], Alibaba[3] and more. [1] https://cloud.oracle.com/home https://cloud.oracle.com/home [2] https://www.ibm.com/cloud/ https://www.ibm.com/cloud/ [3] https://us.alibabacloud.com/ https://us.alibabacloud.com/

lenticular 8y ago
None that can match the maturity or performance of AWS. I always hear really terrible things about Oracle and IBM. edit: Mostly I've heard it just generally is not great, plus you have to deal with typical Oracle badness.
- tmd83 8y ago
  Do you have specifics to share about Oracle clouds. That's the one you hear the least about publicly I think. You at least can get some ideas of the problems of AWS, GCE and Azure.
  - jstanley 8y ago
    Oracle offer quite a compelling free trial. I got a VM for 30 days with 16 gigabytes (!) of RAM and it didn't cost me a penny. In fact, the machine continued working for a few months after the trial ended, which I thought was very generous. They just blocked port 80 and 443 inbound. They even have a high-touch sales process where a real person sends you emails and replies when you send them questions. Imagine that at AWS! I was actually tempted to keep paying for the VM from Oracle, but the high-touch sales person literally could not tell me how much it was going to cost. She could point me towards the price calculator page, but the VM type I had been given in my free trial did not exist in their price calculator. I asked for just a simple number: how much is this going to cost me per month? She could not give me an answer. So I didn't buy it. I still have no idea whether it would have been a good deal or not.
    - outworlder 8y ago
      > They even have a high-touch sales process where a real person sends you emails and replies when you send them questions. Imagine that at AWS! The do that too once you are big enough.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        It’s not about being big just willing to spend the money on a business support plan - 10% of your monthly spend with a minimum of $100/month.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      They even have a high-touch sales process where a real person sends you emails and replies when you send them questions. Imagine that at AWS! You haven’t had the joy of having a business support plan from AWS. You can start a chat and get immediate help. They will do a screen share with you if necessary. I have had a 100% success with them. This is everything from CloudFormstion issues, S3 cross account permissions with CodeBuild/CodePipeline, API gateway/Route53 set up issues, IAM permissions to read and write from S3 to Aurora/Redshift, a best practices question with DynamoDB/Dax with Python, and a Route 53/Security group/autoscale group/load balancer issue. All of these issues were because of my lack of knowledge on the platform.
- derefr 8y ago
  "IBM Cloud" is just the rebranded name of Softlayer (which was acquired.) They're decent for managed bare-metal hosting.
  - LoSboccacc 8y ago
    yeah it's the offering on top that's impossible to use. I mean once you set it up it works like everybody else does, but finding how to access those managed services beyond vm and hosted is exceptionally convoluted
setquk 8y ago
Why on earth would you want oracle cloud? Pay in collected souls?
- blattimwind 8y ago
  Your soulgem has insufficient charge for this operation.
- aliswe 8y ago
  IMO HN is not the place for jokes, but that was really very very funny
  - setquk 8y ago
    I’m not sure it was a joke. I had to deal with Oracle 9i years ago and I still have the emotional scars of being buggered hard for some licenses for it. The only way we could circumvent a lot of cost, allowing us to keep humans on budget, was reusing an older oracle upgraded license but this was only licensed to work on a SPARCstation LX and the tool was Java and took 11 minutes to start and no one complained because they were so depressed and demotivated from the job that it hurt to do so. I quit and slithered off to work with SQL Server 2000 and I’m sure my soul slipped back in one night.
rossng 8y ago
I briefly tried to use Oracle Cloud for a small project. Its UI is close to the worst I have ever used: the whole product is inconsistent and confusing. Despite having multiple thousands of dollars free credit available, I quickly switched to GCP!

lenticular 8y ago

None that can match the maturity or performance of AWS. I always hear really terrible things about Oracle and IBM. edit: Mostly I've heard it just generally is not great, plus you have to deal with typical Oracle badness.

tmd83 8y ago
Do you have specifics to share about Oracle clouds. That's the one you hear the least about publicly I think. You at least can get some ideas of the problems of AWS, GCE and Azure.
- jstanley 8y ago
  Oracle offer quite a compelling free trial. I got a VM for 30 days with 16 gigabytes (!) of RAM and it didn't cost me a penny. In fact, the machine continued working for a few months after the trial ended, which I thought was very generous. They just blocked port 80 and 443 inbound. They even have a high-touch sales process where a real person sends you emails and replies when you send them questions. Imagine that at AWS! I was actually tempted to keep paying for the VM from Oracle, but the high-touch sales person literally could not tell me how much it was going to cost. She could point me towards the price calculator page, but the VM type I had been given in my free trial did not exist in their price calculator. I asked for just a simple number: how much is this going to cost me per month? She could not give me an answer. So I didn't buy it. I still have no idea whether it would have been a good deal or not.
  - outworlder 8y ago
    > They even have a high-touch sales process where a real person sends you emails and replies when you send them questions. Imagine that at AWS! The do that too once you are big enough.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      It’s not about being big just willing to spend the money on a business support plan - 10% of your monthly spend with a minimum of $100/month.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    They even have a high-touch sales process where a real person sends you emails and replies when you send them questions. Imagine that at AWS! You haven’t had the joy of having a business support plan from AWS. You can start a chat and get immediate help. They will do a screen share with you if necessary. I have had a 100% success with them. This is everything from CloudFormstion issues, S3 cross account permissions with CodeBuild/CodePipeline, API gateway/Route53 set up issues, IAM permissions to read and write from S3 to Aurora/Redshift, a best practices question with DynamoDB/Dax with Python, and a Route 53/Security group/autoscale group/load balancer issue. All of these issues were because of my lack of knowledge on the platform.
derefr 8y ago
"IBM Cloud" is just the rebranded name of Softlayer (which was acquired.) They're decent for managed bare-metal hosting.
- LoSboccacc 8y ago
  yeah it's the offering on top that's impossible to use. I mean once you set it up it works like everybody else does, but finding how to access those managed services beyond vm and hosted is exceptionally convoluted

setquk 8y ago

Why on earth would you want oracle cloud? Pay in collected souls?

blattimwind 8y ago
Your soulgem has insufficient charge for this operation.
aliswe 8y ago
IMO HN is not the place for jokes, but that was really very very funny
- setquk 8y ago
  I’m not sure it was a joke. I had to deal with Oracle 9i years ago and I still have the emotional scars of being buggered hard for some licenses for it. The only way we could circumvent a lot of cost, allowing us to keep humans on budget, was reusing an older oracle upgraded license but this was only licensed to work on a SPARCstation LX and the tool was Java and took 11 minutes to start and no one complained because they were so depressed and demotivated from the job that it hurt to do so. I quit and slithered off to work with SQL Server 2000 and I’m sure my soul slipped back in one night.

rossng 8y ago

I briefly tried to use Oracle Cloud for a small project. Its UI is close to the worst I have ever used: the whole product is inconsistent and confusing. Despite having multiple thousands of dollars free credit available, I quickly switched to GCP!