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The rise of alternative milks
- brailsafe 8y agoAs a vegan/firefighter I made the leap from not drinking milk to drinking milk about a year ago and I'm never looking back. Milk is the future.
- KitDuncan 8y agoYou consider yourself a vegan, but you drink milk? Am I missing something? Also why are you so excited about milk, you don't really explain.
- coldtea 8y agoAlso known as "the rise of non-milks, usually colored artificially white to lure people to believe they're like the real thing".
- vinay427 8y agoI've made cashew milk and oat milk at home and they're naturally colored as they are on store shelves. Also, you can look at the ingredients list to verify that they are not colored. I don't recall the last time I saw or purchased one that was artificially colored. EDIT: Removed the first sentence as recommended.
- yesenadam 8y agoPlease don't tell people they're lying on HN when you have no idea whether that's true. (Apologies if you know the person you responded to well enough to know they're lying - I'm assuming you don't.) edit: Ah, I should have quoted, lesson learned. The comment began "Please don't lie", which has been removed, and people are downvoting me and responding as if I'd read the edited comment, so mine appears nonsensical.
- vinay427 8y ago> usually colored artificially I've shopped extensively for plant-based milks on three continents in countries that represent nearly half of the world's population. I can provably claim that they are not "usually" colored artificially in even a generous use of "usual." This has nothing to do with knowing the person who wrote the comment.
- j605 8y agoThey can be wrong though since no evidence was presented for the “usually coloured” claim. To prove no plant milk uses colouring is neigh impossible but you could easily show a couple of example if it is that common to have colouring in them.
- ThrowawayR2 8y ago> ...when you have no idea whether that's true If you're familiar with soy milk and almond milk, it's a pretty dubious claim. The most well known brand in the US is Silk, which contains no such whitening ingredients that I have seen (see https://silk.com/products https://silk.com/products for ingredient information) nor have I encountered any other brands that contain whitening ingredients. I think it's justifiable to say that claim is a falsehood.
- lern_too_spel 8y agoAll of Silk's milks contain calcium carbonate, which serves the dual purpose of whitening the milk and calcium fortification. http://www.ddwcolor.com/natural-colours/calcium-carbonate/ http://www.ddwcolor.com/natural-colours/calcium-carbonate/
- ThrowawayR2 8y agoI'm reasonably sure that it's there at levels sufficient only for the calcium fortification. Calcium carbonate was only approved for use as a food colorant by the FDA in late 2017 (e.g. https://sensientfoodcolors.com/en-us/regulatory/fda-approves-calcium-carbonate-color-additive/ https://sensientfoodcolors.com/en-us/regulatory/fda-approves...), many, many years after Silk was launched. Note that calcium carbonate is listed in the ingredients under the mineral and vitamin supplementation group.
- dang 8y agoNot to pile on, but do please edit the nasty bits out of your comments here. This one would be just fine without the first sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- coldtea 8y ago>Please don't lie Please don't accuse people you don't know and second guess their motives in a conversation with them. >I've made cashew milk and oat milk at home and they're naturally colored as they are on store shelves Which is neither here nor there. I didn't say all are colored white: I used the term "usually". Second, even naturally white "alternative milks" have artificial coloring added for when they hit the shelves for consistency etc (manufacturers that don't do that are glad to advertise it in the box). Second, both are not milks. Milks are what comes out of animals mammary glands (even legally in most jurisdictions). Advertisers and "health product" peddlers hijacked the term (that existed for millennia) to mean "random juices".
- vinay427 8y ago> Please don't accuse people you don't know and second guess their motives in a conversation with them. As I commented below, a moment before your reply, I edited it out as I understand that it is unproductive. > I didn't say all are colored white: I used the term "usually". Second, even naturally white "alternative milks" have artificial coloring added for when they hit the shelves for consistency etc (manufacturers that don't do that are glad to advertise it in the box). See my other comment, reproduced below: "I've shopped extensively for plant-based milks on three continents in countries that represent nearly half of the world's population. I can provably claim that they are not "usually" colored artificially in even a generous use of "usual." This has nothing to do with knowing the person who wrote the comment." > Second, both are not milks. Milks are what comes out of animals mammary glands Sure, but this is your opinion which you're welcome to hold. > (even legally in most jurisdictions) Source needed for "most". I can confirm that plant milks can be labeled as milk in the US, Canada, and India, and the notable exception that I am aware of is the European Union.
- jamesgagan 8y agoFunny enough, nobody complains about "peanut butter"! "In English, the word "milk" (at the time spelt "mylk") has been used to refer to "milk-like plant juices" since at least 1200 AD." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_milk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_milk https://www.etymonline.com/word/milk#etymonline_v_16158 https://www.etymonline.com/word/milk#etymonline_v_16158
- manmal 8y agoMy wife makes almond milk from store bought almond paste and water, and the resulting milk is almost pure white. I‘m also quite confident that rice milk from white rice will be white either. „Usually“ is a fuzzy term but I don’t think it’s warranted in the context of artificial colors in alt milks.
- skybrian 8y agoIt's not marketed that way, but Soylent seems kind of similar in the bland-but-supposedly-healthy drink niche?
- freehunter 8y agoThe difference is Soylent is a complete meal, not just a milk replacement. Soylent is more like Slim Fast or other meal replacement drinks.
- Havoc 8y agoSoylent isn't really aimed at health, more convenience & novelty. Its not unhealthy either, but you get my point
- azinman2 8y agoI’d suggest it is unhealthy. We don’t even know what all is in the food we eat, so to pretend we can combine a bunch of synthetic stuff into some well rounded meal for daily consumption I believe is dangerous.
- timbit42 8y agoYeah, I'll let other people be the guinea pigs for a couple of decades before I do it.
- NikolaeVarius 8y agoFruit juice is most likely much worse than soylent. Ditto for milk.sugar and calorie bombs. Look at the ingrediants in soylent .its fine and nothing stands out as non food
- azinman2 8y agoIt’s meant to be your entire meal, not just a drink.
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- classichasclass 8y agoI put away about three gallons of milk a week. I just drink a lot of it (and obviously lactose intolerance isn't a problem). I can't ever stomach these. My wife, on the other hand, budgets her lactose intake, prefers lactose-free milk (which I find unpleasantly sweet), and will readily drink almond and soy milks which I can't stand. But I'm firmly ready to believe that I'm the dinosaur here.
- mixmastamyk 8y agoYou can stand just about anything, just have to give it a chance. I’m reminded of a decade or two back when I switched to diet drinks, though I preferred the sugared. Now sugar soda tastes horrible. In the 80s we moved to low-fat milk, shortly after whole tasted horrible. How did I ever drink this? Take a month off then try a unsweetened coconut/almond blend, get over the hump, wait two months. You’ll be surprised at the taste and possibly disgusted you ever breastfed as an adult at a random animal you don’t know.
- hoaw 8y agoYou do get used to it, but it is also a different experience. Most plant based milks won't be fresh (both in taste and literally) or neutral in taste. If I drink soy milk for awhile I can appreciate it, but I still wouldn't drink it as a standalone beverage. On the other hand I don't really have a need to drink milk as a beverage either.
- code_duck 8y agoI ate a lot of milk and cheese my entire life. Once I stopped, it was shocking how the aroma of dairy changed for me. Now it smells like old fingernails and skin, which makes perfect sense.
- oska 8y ago> Now it smells like old fingernails and skin, which makes perfect sense. Doesn't make 'perfect sense' to me. Maybe poetic sense if you're coming from a certain point of view.
- Cenk 8y agoSee also: https://www.relay.fm/topfour/48 https://www.relay.fm/topfour/48
- k__ 8y agoI know a few vegans who introduced me to soy milk years ago. Now I think it has a fishy after taste and I can't stand it anymore. 2-3 years ago many grocery stores added other milk alternatives. While I think almond milk is the best, oat milk is the second place but much cheaper. Generally, milk is heavily subsidized in Germany and alternatives are 2-4 times more expensive, so I don't know if this a little hype or the start of a lasting change. Milk costs like 0,60€ a liter, oat milk costs 1,50€ and organic almond milk can cost up to 4€ a liter.
- vinay427 8y agoAs soon as you said "oat milk" is "much cheaper," I knew this had to be in Europe. It's far more expensive in the US than it is here, particularly compared to American soy and almond milk prices. I believe this will change over time due to the large increase in interest (Oatly from Sweden has a North American product and now Silk is starting their own) and the existence of a significant domestic oat industry.
- k__ 8y agoIs almond and soy milk a bigger thing in the US?
- vinay427 8y agoYes, they're far more common. I don't recall seeing oat milk on store shelves until very recently. According to a source, "almond (64 percent market share), soy (13 percent market share) and coconut (12 percent market share)" http://www.mintel.com/press-centre/food-and-drink/us-non-dairy-milk-sales-grow-61-over-the-last-five-years http://www.mintel.com/press-centre/food-and-drink/us-non-dai... EDIT: I should add, for those interested, that this dominance is perhaps less strange when noting that California alone produces around 80% of the world's almonds.
- jamesgagan 8y agohere in canada (bc) the oat milk is usually a bit cheaper than soy milk.
- superpermutat0r 8y agoI do care about nutrition, currently anything but soy milk is just water. Still environmentally friendly. Almond Milk has a couple of almonds in the bottle.
- dang 8y agoWe just had this one too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19025957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19025957
- RyanShook 8y agoTIL the weirdest term ever, “share of throat.”
- raldi 8y agoIf you can't/won't drink animal milk, try Ripple. It's by a significant margin the best facsimile thus far, and they even make a heavy-cream version.
- pstuart 8y agoThe vanilla version was tasty, but the plain version was not "yummy." I like what they're doing and want them to succeed so maybe have to give it another go.
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- blfr 8y agoPerhaps my ancestors were steppe barbarians or something but nothing beats raw cow milk, a taste I never get tired of. These alternatives are fine novelties but they don't come close.
- timbit42 8y agoThey're probably not really trying to come that close. If you drink almond milk expecting it to taste like milk, you'll be disappointed but if you drink it for what it is, not expecting it to taste like milk, it's fine.
- blfr 8y agoConsidering someone went through the trouble of inventing, manufacturing, and marketing them when milk was already there, I expect them to taste better.
- Pfhreak 8y agoI'd argue we shouldn't always optimize for taste. I drink a mix of plant milks and grass fed milk (mostly I use it in baking or yogurt making.) I buy for sustainability, taste, cost, and ethical animal treatment reasons.
- dabbledash 8y agoI agree with you completely, but the marketing and narrative around these products really invite the comparison.
- pofilat 8y agoSadly they need to cater to a audience that craves familiarity and fears change.
- bilbo0s 8y agoIn fairness, your ancestors, I'm assuming, were likely not lactose intolerant. I think most of these alternatives are targeted, at least in part, at that market.
- code_duck 8y agoI have lactose intolerance, I am allergic to tree nuts, have an intolerance to legumes, and have yet to find a certified gluten-free coconut milk. Let me know.
- jamesgagan 8y agohave you tried oat milk?
- snazz 8y agoOats are oftentimes processed alongside wheat, which means they might contain trace amounts of gluten. This was an issue with Cheerios for many years.
- code_duck 8y agoI used to drink it and like the flavor, but haven’t tried it since I have been diagnosed with celiac. Oats are very commonly contaminated with gluten, so it would have to be lab-tested (certified gluten free) every batch. Then, there is a question whether some people with celiac react to oat protein.
- manmal 8y agoRice milk could qualify.
- code_duck 8y agoAs a grain product it’s important for it to be lab tested or certified gluten free to under 5 ppm. Rice is one of the least accidentally contaminated at the sourcing, along with corn, but it also depends on later processing.
- maccard 8y agoIf you are lactose, nut and legume intolerent, why is gluten free important?
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- dabbledash 8y agoUsing “milk” in the name of something doesn’t make an “alternative milk” in any way that doesn’t apply to any other drinkable liquid.
- Pharmakon 8y agoIt’s pure marketing, where the reality would be “juice” if we’re being charitable. In a lot of cases it’s water with a hint of X, and a lot of added sugar. All told drinking a lot of anything other than water is probably a bad move, but evidence suggests that if you’re not lactose intolerant, milk is a healthier choice for what you put on cereal. All things being equal, my major issue with alternative “milk” isn’t the semantic debate though. The fact that they’re often high in sugar, low in protein and fat is a bad sign. The fact that many (especially almond milk) are mostly water isn’t promising, and the environmental impact of chugging almond milk should become clear to California within a decade or so. Mostly it’s just another fad (in terms of scale), promulgated by people who should know better, and others trying to sell you their “milks.”
- empath75 8y agoWell. Regular milk is also mostly water.
- greglindahl 8y agoCow's milk is mostly water. As for alternative milks being a fad, it's a fad that's more than a thousand years old -- for example, almond milk was important in Europe for meatless Fridays and during Lent. I'm not sure who "should know better" when it comes to religious doctrine affecting food choices.
- Pharmakon 8y agoYou’re the second person to latch on to a single sentence fragment, unfortunately without the context about sugar and protein content. As far as religion goes, what percentage of current “alt-milk” consumption do you think is religiously motivated? A rounding error? A rounding error of a rounding error? Less? If you wanted to focus on a single point I made, I’d suggest: All told drinking a lot of anything other than water is probably a bad move....
- rebuilder 8y agoI was meeting a client yesterday at their office, they offered me coffee and asked me if I wanted milk, then whether I'd like oat or regular. I said regular (usually drink oat but was somehow preoccupied) and the response was "yea, fortunately that's still available". To me that was a pretty striking example of how the realities of what climage change is going to push us towards are sinking in.
- sridca 8y agoWhat has climate change got to do with cow's milk?
- williamdclt 8y agoYou need lots of cows for cow's milk. You need lots of food and water for cows. You need lots of plants for cow's food. You need lots of water, pesticides, energy for plants. Plus: production of greenhouse gas, water pollution
- sridca 8y ago> You need lots of cows for cow's milk. You need lots of food and water for cows. You need lots of plants for cow's food. You need lots of water, pesticides, energy for plants. And how are alternative-milks a better solution especially as they are also (but directly) plant-based? > Plus: production of greenhouse gas, water pollution If people are actually concerned about the natural environment they would be giving up their cars, instead of going on a plant-based diet, which raises the question of just what other biases cause people to do so. "Animal agriculture is responsible for 13–18% of human-caused greenhouse gas emissions globally, and less in developed countries (e.g. 6% in the USA). Fossil fuel combustion for energy and transportation is responsible for approximately 64% of human-caused greenhouse gas emissions globally, and more in developed countries (e.g. 80% in the USA)." https://skepticalscience.com/animal-agriculture-meat-global-warming.htm https://skepticalscience.com/animal-agriculture-meat-global-...
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- seanwilson 8y agoI've completely switched to soy milk. It tastes a little different to cow milk but after a few cups of tea over a week I didn't notice anymore. Now cow milk tastes strange to me. Soy milk also lasts around a year unopened so you can save time buying it in bulk as a plus. People need to stop expecting replacements to taste 100% identical to what they're use to and give their tastebuds some time to adapt. Same with meat alternatives. It's an extremely unrealistic and pretty silly requirement in my opinion especially if you're concerned with climate change.
- walshemj 8y agoSoy just tastes weird in hot drinks for me - though I switched to almond for cereals to reduce my milk intake to see if it would help my eczema
- pacaro 8y agoI find that I prefer soy with tea and coffee, especially coffee, I think that the slightly nutty flavor goes well. If you have a soy vanilla latte that’s basically a three bean dip (apologies to those who know that neither vanilla nor coffee are really beans)
- erikpukinskis 8y agoI’ve found Kikkoman Pearl is the best in coffee.
- Rumudiez 8y agoI switched to soy milk for about four months, but ultimately went back to regular milk because it has less sugar and is less sweet. I imagine without the sugar it’s not as palatable, but it was a noticeable, negative attribute for me.
- dashundchen 8y agoTry it unsweetened. Most non-dairy milk brands sell sweetened and unsweetened, flavored (usually vanilla) and unflavored. Usually the sweetened one adds up to 8g of sugar in 8oz! I find the sugar is completely unnecessary, and usually skip the flavor as well. Soy and coconut milk have the best texture IMO.
- mnm1 8y agoMilk may not be the healthy food it was touted to be, but neither are most if not all of these "milks" that are basically mostly water and sugar. I'd take lactose over fructose or glucose any day. That's the main selling point: a slightly sweet, natural drink sweetened by lactose rather than fructose and glucose directly. Otherwise, I might as well drink soda--from looking at the sugar content of most of these "milks" it's roughly as healthy.
- dashundchen 8y agoI don't know what region you are in, but in the US almost any store that stocks non-dairy milks will sell sweetened and unsweetened. Though I agree with disliking the sweetened stuff. I'm not sure who the market for the sweetened stuff is for - coffee creamer maybe, or trying to simulate milk lactose? but the unsweetened works just as well in any scenario. Additionally, nut and oat milks are very easy and cheap to make with just a blender and cheesecloth. You can control the amount of food you want to "milk" and change the thickness/mouthfeel, add a little vanilla and end up with a much better result than the 'watered-down' store brands.
- mnm1 8y agoYeah but the problem with unsweetened soy and almond milk (and even slightly sweetened) is that it's fucking disgusting so it has no use for me and for anyone that feels that way. I highly doubt any of the other veggie milks here are less disgusting. I would guess that lactose free milk is also disgusting before they add sugar back in but can't prove it.
- williamdclt 8y ago> fucking disgusting so it has no use for me and for anyone that feels that way That's a completely different argument from your original one. And you could apply it to any food, a lot of people find cow milk "fucking disgusting", there's no point arguing on subjective taste
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- scoot 8y agoMy kids are variously vegan / flex, and since I only put milk in coffee, it wasn't worth keeping milk in the fridge for, so switched to one of their alternatives. Soy curdles, so almond it was, until I learned that it takes ~5 litres (1.1 US gallons) of water to produce a single almond! The Oatly post here a few days ago may have been a shill, but it was enough for me to try it. Far closer to the taste of cows milk than Almond milk IMH(non Vegan)O.
- lprubin 8y agoI’ve seen it estimated that it takes 2,000 gallons of water to produce a gallon of cow milk which would be twice what it takes to produce almond milk.
- YokoZar 8y agoSome quick googling suggests there are 4 cups of almonds in a gallon of almond milk, and ~25 almonds per cup, so about 100 gallons of water per gallon of almond milk from just growing the almonds. That's a factor of 20x, if we believe it takes 2000 gallons of water to make a gallon of milk. But another source on the top links of Google says it takes about 4 gallons of water to make a gallon of milk. This is a difference of 250x. That would imply almond milk takes 25 times as much. It shocks me how such a seemingly basic consumer question could have such wild orders of magnitude variance in the apparent answers.
- sgarman 8y agoI mean at a minimum that lower number not taking into account the water needed to feed the cow, grow the cows food etc. I'm sure almonds is a lot of water but there is no way it's close to a dairy cow.
- bryanlarsen 8y agoDo you count the rain that grew the grass the cows eat or not? In some water usage calculations they only count unnatural usage, ie irrigation and pumped drinking water.
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- ggm 8y agoI personally wish the same stringent law of domain d'origine was applied here. We can't call Australian sparkling wine made on Pinot noir grapes champagne. If it didn't come out of a cow, sheep, goat, or in the case of "red dwarf" dog teat, I don't think it should be called milk or even mylk. Partner of a nut anaphylaxis sufferer, parent of a formerly cow milk intolerant child so I've straddled both sides of what people need in their life. The answer imnsho is clarity: call it what it is specifically. (Which most people here do. Nut milk. Oat milk. Soy milk) but please, don't call it milk, unqualified.
- greglindahl 8y agoSo, even though "milk" has been used for centuries for almond milk, rice milk, etc, it should suddenly be outlawed? I've got some medieval cookbooks digitized on my webpages, what punishment do you propose for people like me?
- ggm 8y agoI think we should milk this for all its worth.
- pofilat 8y agoRight. If it comes from a cow or a goat, call it cow's milk, or goat's milk, not ambiguous "milk"
- ggm 8y agoFair call.
- new_here 8y agoOatly is awesome. It’s a great example of the potential of synthesised foods to replace our current consumption habits.
- jelliclesfarm 8y agoIf someone is looking to switch for sustainablity reasons, they shouldn’t be buying liquid non dairy almond either. You must need a handful of almonds to make your own almond milk. It’s wasteful in so many ways..from processing to transporting to the water content and all the middle men charges in the supply chain. Soak almonds. Peel. Purée with water..strain. Or don’t. Fresh almond milk. I realize many people won’t have the time to do it. And that’s ok. But I just want to put this out there because it’s so easy and there is no special process or ingredient. And it’s cheaper and more sustainable. And lesser carbon and fossil fuel foot print. Plus pistachios make a great nut milk too.
- andy_ppp 8y agoYes, I did a cooking course in Thailand and they showed us how to make coconut milk by hand - it really was amazing how quickly the water went unctuous, creamy and thick as you massaged grated Coconut into water. Best coconut milk I've ever had without a doubt.
- JacobJans 8y agoStore bought almond milk also has additives that may not be good for you. Emulsifiers, thickeners, starches, preservatives, etc. For people with sensitive digestion, it may be safer to make it at home.
- goldenkey 8y agoElmhurst1925.com No additives. I swear by this brand.
- justin66 8y agoI'm told making oat milk is similarly simple. That one is tempting because the ingredients are so cheap.
- Alex3917 8y ago> I'm told making oat milk is similarly simple. The oat milk you get in a latte only tastes the way it does because it has oil and emulsifiers in it. If you just stick oats in a soy milk maker it's not going to come out the same way.
- pascalxus 8y agoAll those milks and yet i still can't find a single one that's not completely saturated with Calcium. The levels of calcium added to these milks is truely staggering. Sure, the carton says 30%, but it's actually 65% of your RDI because here in the US the dairy industry has been pressuring for higher and higher recommendations of Calcium. the WHO recommends 500mg, not 1200mg!
- wbraun 8y agoIs there any reason to avoid the USDA intake of 1200mg instead of the WHO 500mg? Is it a health issue? A taste issue?
- KitDuncan 8y agoI am not at all a medical professional and I am on my phone so I can't give sources, but consuming calcium reduces iron absorption? Don't know about side effects, but I know you want your calcium and iron levels balanced. Same with zinc and copper.
- mangoleaf 8y agoThere is another reason to switch from milk. For men over the age of 45, there is correlation between the natural (or added) hormones excreted into the milk and prostate growth causing an increase in urination difficulty. [1] [1] http://vqrn.com/Prostate-Milk-Problem.html http://vqrn.com/Prostate-Milk-Problem.html