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> IE, it can't go point to point, and is instead stuck in a movement pattern that isn't changing. That's not inherent to public transport. You can easily imagi

> IE, it can't go point to point, and is instead stuck in a movement pattern that isn't changing. That's not inherent to public transport. You can easily imagine a public network of bus transit where users send in a request for transit an hour or two beforehand; software coalesces the set of requests into a dynamic set of routes and stops; and tells the user to turn up at a stop (relatively) near the origination point and drops them off at a stop (relatively) near their destination point. Whether it's economic or feasible is a separate issue. But funding mechanism, transport form factor, and autonomy are all distinct parts of a transportation method, and it's a mistake to think of "private autonomous cars" as competing with "legacy human-driven buses with set routes."

stale2002 8y ago
What you described still has significant drawbacks. I don't want to have to input into an app, an hour ahead of time to get where I need to go. If "on demand mass transit via large multipeople vehicles (IE busses)" were feasible, then you'd already see companies like Uber doing it. On demand point to point, where you don't have to wait a dozen stops to get where you want, is just strictly better than the alternatives in many many ways.
- scarmig 8y ago
  > I don't want to have to input into an app, an hour ahead of time to get where I need to go. Sure. Get around this by having preset schedules. Or infer it. These details matter, but you can point out similar issues for public transit as it exists today and for private car ownership as it exists today: both are commonly used, despite drawbacks. > If "on demand mass transit via large multipeople vehicles (IE busses)" were feasible, then you'd already see companies like Uber doing it. Not at all. Uber and Lyft are premised on having a large base of independent contractors to perform all the labor and provide all the capital. "Large multipeople vehicles" would require complicated integrations with different municipalities, or for Uber/Lyft to purchase their own fleet of buses. Neither aligns well with their current businesses. > On demand point to point, where you don't have to wait a dozen stops to get where you want, is just strictly better than the alternatives in many many ways. Sure. And shared rides is strictly better in one very important way: cost. I'm much less cost-sensitive than the average American, and I take Lyft Line far more often than a regular Lyft. It's not about what's best, but best in certain situations. I value latency sometimes, and cost sometimes.

stale2002 8y ago

What you described still has significant drawbacks. I don't want to have to input into an app, an hour ahead of time to get where I need to go. If "on demand mass transit via large multipeople vehicles (IE busses)" were feasible, then you'd already see companies like Uber doing it. On demand point to point, where you don't have to wait a dozen stops to get where you want, is just strictly better than the alternatives in many many ways.

scarmig 8y ago
> I don't want to have to input into an app, an hour ahead of time to get where I need to go. Sure. Get around this by having preset schedules. Or infer it. These details matter, but you can point out similar issues for public transit as it exists today and for private car ownership as it exists today: both are commonly used, despite drawbacks. > If "on demand mass transit via large multipeople vehicles (IE busses)" were feasible, then you'd already see companies like Uber doing it. Not at all. Uber and Lyft are premised on having a large base of independent contractors to perform all the labor and provide all the capital. "Large multipeople vehicles" would require complicated integrations with different municipalities, or for Uber/Lyft to purchase their own fleet of buses. Neither aligns well with their current businesses. > On demand point to point, where you don't have to wait a dozen stops to get where you want, is just strictly better than the alternatives in many many ways. Sure. And shared rides is strictly better in one very important way: cost. I'm much less cost-sensitive than the average American, and I take Lyft Line far more often than a regular Lyft. It's not about what's best, but best in certain situations. I value latency sometimes, and cost sometimes.