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This is mainly a problem in the US. I can't think of any other western nations that have real problems with religious idiocy; the US seems to be unique in this

by magduf 8y ago

This is mainly a problem in the US. I can't think of any other western nations that have real problems with religious idiocy; the US seems to be unique in this regard. Don't blame the entire western world for something stupid that only the US does.

krapp 8y ago
Fair enough, that's true relatively speaking. The rest of the western world justifies its idiocy mostly through nationalistic, ethnic and class bigotry. Although the anti-muslim prejudice there seems an awful lot like the anti-muslim prejudice here.
- yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
  Do you think people's objections toward Islamic culture are unjustified? Many muslims are vocal about the need for Islamic reform. If you believe it is bigoted to be critical of Islam, then you are an apologist for the oppression of women and homosexuals.
  - krapp 8y ago
    >If you believe it is bigoted to be critical of Islam, then you are an apologist for the oppression of women and homosexuals. Nice strawman and conflation of legitimate issues with illegitimate fear, but no, I was referring to bigotry, not criticism. There's a difference between criticising Islamic culture and believing Islam is a "religion of evil," that Muslims cannot integrate with Western culture, that their mere presence of Muslims in a community is a threat to Western culture and public safety, etc.
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- magduf 8y ago
  >The rest of the western world justifies its idiocy mostly through nationalistic, ethnic and class bigotry. And exactly what "idiocy" is that? I see some problems with right-wing extremism in Europe lately, but the same thing is happening in America, and I don't see protests with heavily-armed neo-Nazis happening in Europe the way they are in America (much less with the nation's leader calling them "fine people"). In fact, the rest of the "western world" really doesn't seem to have a lot of problems AFAICT, not the way America does. They have some problems, of course, just like anyone, but the scope and scale seem to pale in comparison, and they seem to be getting a handle on them for the most part, instead of letting them fester or spin out of control.

by magduf 8y ago

krapp 8y ago

Fair enough, that's true relatively speaking. The rest of the western world justifies its idiocy mostly through nationalistic, ethnic and class bigotry. Although the anti-muslim prejudice there seems an awful lot like the anti-muslim prejudice here.

yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
Do you think people's objections toward Islamic culture are unjustified? Many muslims are vocal about the need for Islamic reform. If you believe it is bigoted to be critical of Islam, then you are an apologist for the oppression of women and homosexuals.
- krapp 8y ago
  >If you believe it is bigoted to be critical of Islam, then you are an apologist for the oppression of women and homosexuals. Nice strawman and conflation of legitimate issues with illegitimate fear, but no, I was referring to bigotry, not criticism. There's a difference between criticising Islamic culture and believing Islam is a "religion of evil," that Muslims cannot integrate with Western culture, that their mere presence of Muslims in a community is a threat to Western culture and public safety, etc.
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magduf 8y ago
>The rest of the western world justifies its idiocy mostly through nationalistic, ethnic and class bigotry. And exactly what "idiocy" is that? I see some problems with right-wing extremism in Europe lately, but the same thing is happening in America, and I don't see protests with heavily-armed neo-Nazis happening in Europe the way they are in America (much less with the nation's leader calling them "fine people"). In fact, the rest of the "western world" really doesn't seem to have a lot of problems AFAICT, not the way America does. They have some problems, of course, just like anyone, but the scope and scale seem to pale in comparison, and they seem to be getting a handle on them for the most part, instead of letting them fester or spin out of control.